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There was also various body mods as well, I should have a build manual somewhere from when we re bodied one, I'll try and dig it out.
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Some of the Group A race & rally cars even kept that standard paint scheme in competition, like Rob Hall and Jock Robertson's BTCC cars and the one make rally series IIRC? |
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There was a certain amount of body stiffening and other things such as moving the battery box. I do remember it wasn't a straight forward parts swap when we did it but then again it was originally a hand built car so nothing is easy is it.
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There are a couple of original GpA RS1600i here, if you PM me with a email address I will send you some pictures.. Kevan knows what they are.. Kevan the offer still stand to come over and see them.. ran the Brooklyn at the last rounds of the BTCC at Brands in October.. Stefan Hodgetts drove it.. as Chris want him to drive it.. Richard Longman buit a 'NEW' engine for the other one.. |
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RS1600 or XR3 a total waste of time in CTCRC Group 1 if you want my opinion, if you dont ask Dave Howard who took one out at our Lydden Hill meeting he came almost last and hated the thing and he is a good driver and the car was as good as it could be. Why lug around the extra weight when you can race the lighter Xr2 with the same running gear.
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Not saying they are neccessarily lame, all I am saying is CTCRC is not BTCC and in CTCRC races the Fiesta is allowed so why race an XR3 when you could race an XR2 which will be lighter and more nimbler and hence quicker.
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A lot of money was put into these cars.. the Brooklyn car cost over £30k in 1985 Datapost was just over £25k in 1984.. thats the differance between the priveteer and the Works Backed Teams I guess.... You Mentioned Lydden... there is a chap with a Datapost Mk3 doing the Classic Touring car series.. How is he getting on? |
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The RS1600i might not work in modern group 1 historic racing but having a look in Jeremy Waltons "RS the faster Fords" it was never intended for this use. It was conceived by Ford Motorsport in Germany (Köln/Cologne I presume) and initially only intended to be produced in 5.000 units to be eligeble for the new group N and A regulations. Surprise sales meant that a total of 8,659 cars were produced before the end of production in late 1983. This, on the other hand, meant homologation ran out after 31 December, 1988.
Here in Denmark we have a very succesfull group N-based series run to a power-to-weight ratio. Back when it started in 1982 it was set at 8 kgs for 1 bhp (don't know how to translate that to bhp/ton). The XR3 was eligeble for '82 while the XR3i was introduced for '83. When the Escort Mk. III ended its welcome in the series in 1986 only one driver ever went the RS1600i route - and he was a Ford sales man anyway, the name being Benny Hall. All other drivers shyed away from the extra 10 bhp because it would put an exstra 80 kgs into the car. The scarcity of the RS1600i might also have contributed, as I never recall to have seen a road going car in the country. Jesper |
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Thanks for the up date Al.. no its isnt a Longman Car... even tho it did have or still has Richard Longmans name on it..
The Brooklyn outputs 164bhp at the wheels @ 6.5k and it weighs just over 700kg without driver.. not sure on the Datapost car yet.. as it hasnt been set up.. Richard Longman built a new engine for it back in the Summer.. he will be setting it up in the Spring. I am hoping it will be less 'aggressive' than the Brooklyn. |
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I just watched the video from the race again and the red Datapost liveried car pulled up after just one lap.
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Are we talking about the Wellington Street race? if so.. then its that car that is back home.. did more than that, binned it just after it started to rain.. hit the tyre wall at the start of the straight.. lost bonnet, drivers wing and TCR... (still got the bent wing) DNF ;-) eairly bath.. thats its only major damage.. been repaire well tho.. got scrapes else where and the paint has burnt where the exhaust exites.. just under the drivers seat. |
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Just wanted to say in response to Al's comments that I am quite sure that if a pukka Grp A RS1600i with a decent driver came out to play it would hardly be 'slow' in a classic series against random mildly modified XR2's!!!
Trouble is as you've said about the Vitesses that owners would be reluctant to bend them! |
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I have raced against pukka RS1600's in the ModProds and trust me they couldnt catch an HT Racing engined XR2. Anyhow who was talking about a mildly modified XR2 I meant like for like in the same state of tune.
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23 Nov 2009, 18:37 (Ref:2587967) | #144 | ||
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AL,
Yes I know of Steve Yates.. he asked me about the decals for the car.. "DATAPOST"... Shame he had a DNF.. Dont like to hear that with respect to Mk3 Escorts... yes I think you are right with respect to rose joints etc... but they are eligable for the Silverstone Classic.... perhaps one day I should attend.. not to drive may be Chris or Richard... then I can age 10 years in 30 minuits.. already 150 years old ;-) |
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One of the European Escorts- the German Gerstmann Racing car at the 1985 Silverstone TT. Jorg van Ommen and Annette Meeuvissen driving
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A few more pics- the rally RS1600is have been mentioned a few times-
1983 Scottish Rally- as an MCD Services-run Ford works entry, Malcolm Wilson in 'HPU73Y'... http://www.flickr.com/photos/rspictures/2938877790/ ...Same registration number, but a different colourscheme, on the Manx Rally with Bob Green http://www.flickr.com/photos/41533134@N03/3836875244/ http://www.lastminuterallying.org.uk...ery/4532519498 Back on the racetrack, a few that have turned up in BTCC threads on the Autosport Nostalgia forum- Pics by Phil Rainford 1985 British GP meeting, Silverstone. Alan Curnow in the Datapost RS1600i sandwiched between the Brooklyn cars- John Morris leads from Chris Hodgetts http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._1678132_n.jpg Patrick Watts in the North Essex Motorsport RS1600i http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._3187317_n.jpg ..and a year later at Brands, the Terry Drury RS Turbo of Mark Hales going a lap down to Schlesser's Rover at Druids http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._3608344_n.jpg Another year on to 1987, and back at Silverstone for another GP support. Hales again, although a different oil company are paying the bills- Shell replacing Duckhams on the car http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._5453034_n.jpg Last edited by KA; 14 Jan 2010 at 23:19. |
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FANTASTIC KA ;-))
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Original Datapost RS1600i will be at Brands 10-10-10
First time to be seen in public since 1985, Driven by Alan Curnow
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Great to see it back on a UK circuit!
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