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10 Feb 2010, 10:18 (Ref:2630503) | #26 | |
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No, Rubbing is not Racing. Racing is a non-contact sport, period! That's what it says in the rules. The sooner more people are punished contact the better. You are, afterall, meant to be in control of your car at all times! For UK racers, read the 2010 Blue Book! For internationals. read the International Sporting Code
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10 Feb 2010, 13:08 (Ref:2630588) | #27 | ||
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It seems alot of people are very hypocritical when it comes to these comments. It is fine to throw constant blocks using your car as an obstacle that you force another driver to touch to get by yet at the same time it isn't ok to give them a little bump if you are the car behind?
So I have to make sure i get this right using your car as a barrier to keep a faster car behind you is completly fine but the minute someone puts a bump on you it is wrong..hypocrite anyone? Racing goes both ways if you consistently slow a faster car down by using your car as an obstacle then you can't be mad when you get bumped. I am in no way in favor of major contact but it is ridiculous that it is percieved racing can only be one way in favor of someone obsessively blocking... |
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10 Feb 2010, 13:39 (Ref:2630611) | #28 | ||
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Nothing hypocritical about it at all.
Read the rules about defensive driving and blocking. If you have to use hit someone to make a pass then you're doing something wrong. Racing is not a contact sport. |
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10 Feb 2010, 13:52 (Ref:2630617) | #29 | |||
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Perhaps there are different rule's across the globe? Over here on our small plot of land,it is allowed to block once on a lap,the car in front will be shown the blue flag informing the driver that theres a strong possibilty that he is about to be passed.You will get shown the blue at three marshals post's,if you ignore all three and continue blocking,its black flag time,and a chat with the CoC,make sure you have an excuse that he has never heard before.[Warning,the likelyhood of you being totally original,is VERY unlikely!] Basicly,if you cant race clean,get a job on a fairground. |
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10 Feb 2010, 13:55 (Ref:2630621) | #30 | ||
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Cars are obsticles, and if you can't get by without touching, then you should either settle for 2nd or hang up your driver helmet, if the driver in front is using just one defensive move, as in the rulebook, and keeps efectivly blocking you, then he is suposed to win, the car in the back didn't do its job properly, the whole pont of racing isn't for the fastest car/driver to win, but the most skilled!
the whole point is, that catching up to someone and making the pass are very different things, one is a 100m sprint , the other is 110m hurdles, the car in front is an obsticle! |
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10 Feb 2010, 14:12 (Ref:2630633) | #31 | ||
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There is nothing skillful about holding up a car that is faster than you. I don't care how you try to put a spin on it the fact of the matter is that obsessive blocking is as pathetic as wrecking someone to get by in my mind.
I can't sit and think wow he is such a good driver b/c he puts a 2k lb barrier in the way of a faster car for lap after lap. That isn't skillful that is it is just asking to get bumped. I know in most cases where it really becomes excessive are when for example at laguna last year Mags was much quicker in the corners even had great runs coming off of them but Berg did nothing skillful by thowing his car in the way lap after lap just daring Mags to bump him...The only time Berg had any hope was on the straight and it really doesn't take any skill to drive in a straight line. Mags tried over and over to pass clean but Berg got obsessive with blocking and I don't blame Mag at all for giving him a bump in the last corner anyone would have been mad by that point when someone slower is blocking to that extent. I don't see skill in that and never will. |
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10 Feb 2010, 14:25 (Ref:2630641) | #32 | |||
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On blocking, one change of direction to defend a position is allowed - there's no "once per lap" rule. The important point on the blue flag is that it will normally only be used when cars are being lapped; if they are racing, it's up to the driver behind to get past. There is no "three posts" rule. The Blue Book does state that a driver who appears to ignore the blue flag will be reported to the Clerk of the Course; as it's a driving standards offence, I would expect that in the first instance he would be shown the black-&-white flag, only being black-flagged for repeat offences. |
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10 Feb 2010, 14:25 (Ref:2630642) | #33 | ||
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There are rules for both blocking and avoidable contact, and both are subject to penalties even exclusions.
IMSA is very strict about blockin at least in the rules it states : Any driver who, in the sole opinion of the Race Director and/or Stewards, alters their racing line based on the actions of pursuing competitors, or uses an abnormal racing line to inhibit or prevent passing may be considered to be “blocking” and may be warned or penalized pursuant to Article 8 of the IMSA Code. Unfortinatly the decision or lack of is not subject to apeal or protest, So the ones most in the wrong are the race directors at laguna for not folowing their rules and upholding them for the sake of sport, and that led to a cumalitive event of jan ending up in the wall, thats what happens if you trow the book out the window |
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Sorry, looks like Dave Brand already made this point. DK |
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10 Feb 2010, 15:43 (Ref:2630684) | #37 | |||
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Joerg never forced Jan in almost off the track on at any time? What race were you watching? |
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10 Feb 2010, 15:47 (Ref:2630688) | #38 | ||
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If Jan wants to try and go round the outside of turn 2 and out into the dirt that's his problem for being stupid enough to think Joerg was going to leave the door wide open for him, you could also say that was payback for Jonny O putting Westbrook completely off the road in the same corner?
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Anyway this whole Laguna thing has been done to death and im bored of it. |
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Interesting debate though - even if I positively can't see both points of view! Quote:
I don't think I'd be inclined to let my cool slip so far that I'd deliberately hit another vehicle when racing at speed, no...... If I did that 'every now and then' I wouldn't expect to retain my racing licence for very long. Either that or I'd expect to find myself in hospital from time to time..... Last edited by Aysedasi; 10 Feb 2010 at 18:54. |
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