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I met up with some old germen journalists after the race , and we were talking about car waivers , they told me some very disturbing rules .
Ferrari F430 races with no waiver Porsche 997 racer with 1 waiver BMW E92 races with 26 waivers Corvette C6 GT2 races with 47 waivers . Can someone please explain why a team is let off with so many waivers ., coz in confused !!! |
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Until they develop fully-legal parts that replace the ones under waivers, since the cars are pretty much brand-new in GT2 in terms of development life... I guess the ACO allows them to "break" certain rules at first under close scrutiny for the sake of performance balancing.
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47 of em !?!?!?
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There's 4000 bits in a racing engine and probably another 3000 bits in the rest of the car, so waivers for 47 of those... not that high of a percentage. Although waivers tend to be for assemblies of various parts i.e. axles, suspension systems and so on... |
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If Ferrari & Porsche can do it ,
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What is the 1 waiver the Porsche has?
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But how many waivers did Ferrari and Porsche have when they first entered their current development line of cars........? We seem to be assuming that none of the recent Ferrari's and Porsches have needed any waivers - that may be true, but do we know for sure? |
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Im not sure about that Ayse . But it appears that the ALMS needs their (Corvette & BMW) efforts , hence so many waivers .
Im sure Ferrari & Porsche had more than a couple of waivers , but 47 ..... gimme a break !!! |
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True enough - 47 does sound a tad excessive!
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Porsche have the luxury to build a special road car as homologation basis for their GT2 car: the 911 GT3 RS. I would not call it a homologation special because it is not produced in limited numbers, but it is pretty close. So it is quite logical that the GT3 RSR does not need as many waivers as e.g., the "mass production" BMW M3.
The road Corvette Z01 has a completely different engine than the GT2 car: supercharged 6.2 vs NA 5.5. I can imagine that a lot of the waivers are related to the engine. |
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Right now they don't, but what about earlier in the 430's development cycle? That's what we don't know. And also, I'd be curious to hear how many waivers the 458 GT2 will have when it hits the track.
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The 430 is very competitive without waivers. So what makes you think they will need waivers to be competitive with the 458?
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I don't know a lot about this (not being terribly technically minded), but I didn't think it was a case of being competitive without waivers? Isn't it a case of being within the rules without waivers?
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Although, since the 2010-spec 430 doesn't have waivers, I'd expect some waivers required for the initial-spec 458, but perhaps not as many as the BMW or the Vette. |
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and since 458 bring new technologies witch can olny make it faster and are compleatly legal, i don't see any reason for waivers. maybe a few, but nowere near as 47 or 23 like bmw and the corvette |
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John Brooks knows a bit more about the Corvette waiver controversy:
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