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25 Oct 2011, 18:57 (Ref:2976723) | #3676 | |
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Really hoping G H-C stays in sportscars in some capacity, whether it be with a new manufacturer or as a team boss of a private effort.
Ditto the Aston Martin drivers in Vantages. They, as well as many members of that team, deserved better. |
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Will AMR use a developed version of the new GT3 V12 Vantage or stick with the V8???... They have the drivers and the history to become what we all know they can be...
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Just a reminder that a separate thread has been opened about G H-C and speculation as to his plans.
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Also, getting some fresh ideas into the organization may be beneficial after a disastrous season. I hope this discussion isn't off topic given the new GH-C thread, but wasn't GH-C given some new responsibilities/job title within AMR this season? Something about him focusing on just the factory team instead of all the privateer efforts? Maybe that did not work so well. It's hard to say from the outside. Speaking of the privateers, what is AMR's relationship like with the privateers at the moment? Has the AMR-Jota situation been settled as far as deposits and stuff go? How is working with AMR different than working with Porsche and Ferrari? Could that situation be improved? I wonder how AMR running factory Vantages will impact the privateer situation. It could lead to a better car for privateers, but teams may not want to compete against the factory. We'll have to see how that shakes out because I know the privateers are an important revenue stream for AMR. |
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26 Oct 2011, 08:50 (Ref:2976942) | #3681 | ||
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I think that would be their best move . Gather some reputation back up .
Would love to see that P1 engine being developed though . |
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26 Oct 2011, 09:26 (Ref:2976958) | #3682 | ||
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G H-C ran the racing and IMO they tried to do too much and in that I agree with AGD. The attempt at LMP1 distracted from what should have been a racing department in the Porsche mould that sold cars and supported the best teams to get results and sell more cars.
I have spoken to drivers with wide experience and the continuing theme is that the GT cars needed development to make them easier to drive and more reliable. Reliability was the major problem with Drayson, niggling problems restricted JMW and it seemed that resources at AM Racing were spread too thinly. Just who in the organisation insisted on an LMP1 programme we shall never know, that it was a mistake is clear with hindsite and G H-C was in charge. It will be interesting to see what happens next but if it were my decision I would shelve LMP 1 and build on the GTE potential that JMW revealed, perhaps it was a lack support that made them move back to Ferrari and if so that will worry other potential Pro teams, even that perception will put people off. |
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26 Oct 2011, 10:08 (Ref:2976991) | #3683 | ||
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Either way, it is obvious now that the only prototypes AMR should consider are LMP2s. Maybe an LMP1 for the ALMS, but building a new car and hoping to sell them to ALMS teams is probably not a good idea either. Ultimately they really should just put all their effort into developing the Vantage so that they can show themselves well to potential sponsors/collectors for the factory team and regain the trust of the privateers. |
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Im sure they could build a great car , if they did aero development both on and off the track . I think this point has been proven well enough . Just one example ..... Pescarolo . In the early days of Pescarolo Sports , the car didnt see a wind tunnel either , but it did have the attention of Andre de Cortanze (ex-Toyota) . When it recieved wind tunnel time , it was quicker over a lap at Le Mans that any Audi R8 was . Nuff said . |
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When it did, however, it was extraordinary. Given the DNA of the chassis and engine what it was able to do in 2009 once there was some aero time is really noteworthy - for all that the first hour at Silverstone that year can be put down to Bouillon and total commitment, the car didn't hurt much either. Perhaps more telling on this note is Premat's comment this year that the Oak-Pescarolo was better balanced than any Audi he'd ever driven. Dragging this back on topic however... The Courage C60 that the Pescarolo evolved from was reasonably competitive from day one. With the AMR-ONE all we have are the disappointing results and the comments from those involved, which indicate that there might have been something more than what we got from the car. I'll go back to what I've said elsewhere - had it run longer in June and thus been allowed to continue it might have surprised many of us - and I'm sad it didn't on a whole number of levels, not least in that it means we almost certainly won't have an Aston Martin LMP1 at Le Mans in 2012. |
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27 Oct 2011, 03:27 (Ref:2977471) | #3688 | ||
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The drivers and everyone else in the team said the real problem was that the car was massively down on power. The available data kinda confirmed that. It's only after Mulsanne Mike had basically called it all a web of lies this forum collectively written off the chassis and all of a sudden acquired faith in the potential of i6 turbocharged engine. The truth is that we don't really know.
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27 Oct 2011, 06:51 (Ref:2977510) | #3689 | |
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The Aston Martin Le Mans Festival mentioned here is interesting.
http://www.amr-teams.co.uk/2011/10/a...turns-for.html To me suggests that they are putting big effort into LM this year. |
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27 Oct 2011, 14:26 (Ref:2977724) | #3691 | ||
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Looks like a non Championship race of 45 minutes, for V8 Vantages in GT4...
Nothing else. It would be kind of nice to have GT1, 2, 3 & 4 Astons in a single race! LM is big enough you're unlikely to get anyone being lapped... |
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Two car GTE team for the WEC seems to be the plan.
http://twitter.com/#!/dsceditor/stat...39319434268672 |
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95707
"Alan Wickham has already left the Renault team to take up a role in sportscar racing." Could this be Aston Martin? |
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28 Oct 2011, 09:47 (Ref:2978097) | #3695 | ||
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Two car works GTE Pro team for World Championship also reported on DSC who seem to think a full assault on GT racing is the plan, seems sensible to me!
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28 Oct 2011, 11:11 (Ref:2978149) | #3696 | |
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Good news all things considering. Better than nothing.
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28 Oct 2011, 12:50 (Ref:2978192) | #3698 | ||
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I am sure JMW boss would agree, their car was advertsied on DSC again recently
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28 Oct 2011, 12:53 (Ref:2978193) | #3699 | ||
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I am a tad intrigued by the Le Mans Aston Festival... It may NOT be limited to GT4. I wonder if I may see my wish above?
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I dont think it is, did some digging and a team running a 2012 spec GT4 Vantage (banned in AM GT4 Challenge) are planing to run in it. Plus a team I expect to see running a GT3 next year are planning to entre but wouldn't say what with...
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