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31 Jan 2012, 00:40 (Ref:3019207) | #1 | ||
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Maybe. Many of their road cars are now using the downsized-turbo type of engines that seem to be becoming very popular at the moment, so perhaps it will help the marketing of the types of car that use those engines?
Whatever their going to do they'd better be quick, because some engine manufacturers already have 2014 engines that are ready to test. |
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31 Jan 2012, 04:06 (Ref:3019242) | #4 | ||
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These F1 VW rumours surge every few years usually on the back of some motorsport friendly VW appointee who's ambitions are then cut down by head shaking sportphobic boardroom execs.
That said, maybe Peugeot's departure from the WEC will trigger a domino effect. Get all that VW money to switch to an F1 campaign. Look at how much Audi has won in sportcars already, the law of diminishing returns is bound to kick in sometime. |
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seriously though what brand would they use? AutoUnion would be cool but history might be a bit of a problem. also here is the obligatory Joe Saward link. |
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true true. Lambo, Audi or Porsche would all offer better and more well known branding options.
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Or Porsche.
If I were also considering building my own chassis, then maybe that name would be worth using. But the current Lamborghini line up consists of V10 and V12 engined cars, and the engine technology to be used in 2014 is more relevant to cars like Audi, Seat, VW, and Skoda. So I think it would be more likely that VW would want to push along sales of its more mass produced cars, rather than its niche models, by using a name that most will recognise as a VAG product. |
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It is a rapidly growing brand and the performance models already have something of a cult status, ideal for F1. As it is also one of the less expensive brands in the empire, I can't think of a better one to promote in the countries and economies where F1 and VAG are looking to expand, Eastern Europe, Asia, Latin America and India. Problem is by 2018, F1 as we know it might well not exist anymore anyway, i can't see it sustaining the costs required, in which case it might well be a lot cheaper to enter anyway. |
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why not indeed? at this rate those countries may be the only ones that have F1 races so what better way to connect with the Indian population than with a brand they can actually relate too. for the majority owning a Lambo is a dream better left unimagined but owning a Skoda is totally doable so what better way to promote it then by throwing their lump into the back of a Mclaren.
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I suppose one time this rumour couldn be be right! It's like cry wolf though.
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If VW was to link up with McLaren I doubt that they would use their premium brands as these would likely be in competition with certain road cars coming from Woking.
I can't imagine a McLaren Porsche F1 car when McLaren road cars will be directly competing with Porsche. It would probably make sence to use the VW brand for F1 as it would be a brand that is available in all the markets that F1 visits whereas Skoda & Seat are primarily European |
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A good article at http://plus.autosport.com/premium/fe...d-in-f1-again/ by Dieter Rencken.
For those who do not have access he says that the Audi brand is the most likely to be used with a target to increase business across Asia, Europe with the USA to be covered by domestic series. His hunch is that a tie up with Red Bull looks the most likely as there are already a number of links between Red Bull and the VW group. |
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This rumour has been around since the early-2000s. One year ago the Volkswagen Group made it absolutely clear they do not intend to enter Formula 1 for various reasons, such as irrelevance. At that moment 1,4-litre L4T-engines were proposed for 2013, only to lure them into Formula 1. It turned out to be ineffective and therefore I fail to see any reason why they should enter at the 2014 introduction of the 1,4-litre, semi-standardized, completely irrelevant and still awfully expensive V6T-engines.
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Why don't we extend the speculation to include VW buying Lotus from the new Proton owners and inheriting the F1 team?Its about as likely.
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The fact that the engines are semi-standardized, means that not only will the engines be interchangeable among the individual chassis (common bolt pattern), so that if an engine manufacturer does leave, another engine from a remaining manufacturer can be bolted straight in, it will also lessen the likelihood of an engine manufacturer making an obvious mistake in the first place. Any engine manufacturer that does make a mistake with its engine architecture is more likely to quit the sport, rather than spend another small fortune on engine R&D. |
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Point is though, that none of these have the global TV reach of F1. I'd imagine that the VW group would be looking hard at F1 because of this at least. Whether or not they choose to jump in remains to be seen but for sure a turbo/hybrid small capacity V6 does kinda link to their road car products (for marketing purposes) than the current F1 engines. |
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WRC doesn't even have a TV deal at the moment. And BMW are threatening to pull the plug on the 'Mini' project. Indycar had given the engine manufacturers an engine choice of a maximum of six cylinders in any configuration. But guess what! Chrevrolet, Lotus and Honda have all built V6 engines! Who would have thought. DTM has reduced costs drastically for the 2012 season, along with making it even more of a spec series. So it's little wonder that Audi and BMW have jumped back onboard. |
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toro rosso and red bull both used vw roadcars and as such were sponsored by them for a long while. red bull taking on that other manufacturer through renault as a sponsor ended that one, but toro rosso still have all their team transport etc provided by vw. that's historical, but whether it's time to start reading more into an increased involvement i don't know.
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