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17 Feb 2012, 19:17 (Ref:3027232) | #226 | |
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he's been running the renaultf1/lotus/whatevertheyare demo f1 car at the wsr events at least once a year for a couple of years now. last year at ricard it was alongside his old man in the car he won there in 20 years (or so) previously.
frankly, there are many many more talents who deserve the right to be close to a f1 team. |
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17 Feb 2012, 19:59 (Ref:3027260) | #227 | |
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I'm pretty sur he also ran in the young driver days in secret.
He is pretty good, and he is doing very well in lmp1. I would definitely rate him higher than D'Ambrosio for example. In the LMP1 he has been quicker than guys like Fässler, Jani, Boullion... He has had a weird career as he studied before racing, but in my opinion he is very underrated. Gravity has been completely remanaged and the 4 young drivers they have and with grosjean+prost as older drivers, I think the recruiting over the last 2 years has been pretty strong |
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17 Feb 2012, 20:01 (Ref:3027263) | #228 | |
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My point is that they are indeed many many good drivers that deserve a chance, and that Prost Jr has roved that he deserves his chance.
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17 Feb 2012, 20:49 (Ref:3027289) | #229 | |
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wait he's 30? well he SHOULD be good by the age of 30, frankly. particularly with the amount and variety of racing he's got behind him now..
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i'm just trolling now. off season boredom ftw.
but seriously, back to fr3.5. i suppose a "who's earnt the right to be a f1 driver" thread would be pages and pages long. it'd be easier and more peaceful to say who *doesn't* deserve a f1 drive |
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Jani is a massive lost talent, and Jerome has already proved his worth in both GP2 and F1. I appreciate you fullsome support of him though. |
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18 Feb 2012, 08:00 (Ref:3027464) | #232 | |
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As it was said before this is not the topic of this thread.
I just wanted to explain the gravity situation as what was said before was uncorrect. Anyone who has seen Prost run in the lmp1 knows that he deserves an evaluation. I agree with you Jani is a massive lost talent, but I have no doubt Prost is better than D'Ambrosio. Change of subject. Does anyone know what Draco will do with their second driver? It was the place to go at the end o 09 but does not seem so fancy anymore |
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perhaps in part to the fact the drivers they've had have either lost their own way or not been quite good enough to beat everyone else? i mean, berthon was the last really strong talent, and he seemed to only be competitive when he was uber-motivated.
i guess it remains to be seen how their new daddy-investor feels about signing someone who could own his son comprehensively in every race. you've got to wonder how the departure of the morinis over the past few years will affect them. i'm also interested to see what isr do. you get the feeling their true potential didn't show last year much of the time. |
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18 Feb 2012, 12:19 (Ref:3027553) | #234 | |
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I guess ISR flourished with the two superstar drivers they've had recently: Guerrieri (particularly) and Ricciardo.
I wonder if Salaquarda will make it back to ISR now Superleague has folded |
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20 Feb 2012, 14:52 (Ref:3028391) | #235 | |
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nick yelloly at comtec too, so we're down to 6 seats left?
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Good glad Nick's back. Really hope he can follow through on the immense promise he showed last year.
Will the team stifle that though? |
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I'm sure he will do well, forget the rich dads / poor dads scenario, give me a dad that actually cares and gives a s**t any day. |
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21 Feb 2012, 06:56 (Ref:3028712) | #238 | ||
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@bella I believe I was wrong on Martsenko (BVM Target). Aleshin is back again, this time with KMP, and that's a good line up of him and Nebylitskiy.
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i think nebylitskiy is a lost cause and a waste of a seat. one of not too many on the grid this year so far. not entirely convinced about aleshin returning either, presumably he's bringing a sum total of naff all for a budget otherwise it's a waste of his reputation of 2010 champion surely?
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21 Feb 2012, 10:59 (Ref:3028804) | #240 | |
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What about Canamasas? What's he doing? He was somewhat of a surprise last year.
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If seats are starting to be 'given' to a driver for his experience rather than his money (if that is the case with Aleshin) i'd put someone like Van der Drift or in there straight away. |
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the problem with the daddy's son teams is that without their presence the series loses what, 4 teams and 4 fully funded regular drivers immediately. their presence reduces the market of available seats and as such means that there's less likely to be cut price fill-the-seat-at-all-costs gp3 style drives around. all round in a very indirect way it keeps the series afloat and the reputation intact, particularly since none of the sons-of are woefully slow. just not very good
that said, a returning champion is great news for the competitiveness of the series - it's easy to spin from a pr point of view and you can argue it makes sure everyone brings their a-game in a similar way to having current and past world champions in f1 does, albeit on a smaller scale. after all, aleshin beat ricciardo. and going by racing driver (and dad) logic, if you can beat the man that beat ricciardo, you must be a god, right? (however, on the aleshin front, the fact that he wasn't on it straight away in hungary last year did really demonstrate for me the importance of the engineer/driver thing in fr3.5 - as per alex's point about a driver coughing up to bring his own) |
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he drove a very competitive season and some races he was quite clearly the best car/driver/team combo out there. his barcelona races were a good example - he did exactly what he needed to and kept ricciardo at bay. but imo if guerrieri hadn't had that motorland fail and missed hungary because of the whole cracked tub drama then he'd have been champion.
aleshin certainly wasn't an undeserving champion, but perhaps not the one you'd have expected to come out of that season! for me wickens was the same in 2011 - call me a fangirl but i really thought vergne was going to take it. but wickens produced the goods when required, and that's what a champion does. |
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Apart from those two, ISR tested Frijns, Yelloly, Alex Fontana and Fabio Gamberini last winter. The first two have already got FR3.5 seats and the other two seem to be leaning more towards F2/GP3. As p-matt pointed out, Salaquarda could well be an option for them, and if Berthon doesn't get a GP2 seat I could potentially see him staying with them too. |
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It's good for Dean to follow whatever path gives him them best option to be able to race competitively for whatever budget he can afford, but it will be a real shame that he doesn't do FR3.5, he would've been a real asset to the series and another front running driver i'm sure.
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I didn't watch much GP2 last year, only really read reports/looked at results - what do people reckon the reason(s) were for Aleshin making practically no impression at all? I know he didn't do very many rounds due to budget etc. but he was with a team that he'd known for years, and I don't think a GP2 car is much of a step-up from a FR3.5 car so I was surprised at how anonymous his results were in the races he did do.
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No money, no honey. I read interviews with insiders who say that in order to make an impression and get results in GP2 you have to do at least couple of years in GP2, It's because a GP2 car bacame hard in understanding and tough and set up correctly for a newbie. Apparently its opposite to first generation of GP2 cars which were driver/engineer friendly. It may be one of the reasons for lack of results of Aleshin. But, I believe the main factor was lack of sufficient backing behind him. He knew he wasn't going to last long.
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therein lies another problem with gp2. winning the fr3.5 title might not get you far in terms of being snapped up by f1 teams, but at least you can have a fair stab at it in one year. particularly recently where the top 10 has been really quite competitive.
i'm not entirely sure what's in it for aleshin apart from using the moscow round to try and raise some serious cash to buy into f1 in time for the russian gp. in terms of long term success at this point surely he'd have been better off trying to establish his name in sportscars? albert costa signed with oregon in the megane trophy last night which is just the perfect combination if ever there was one. it's sad in a way to see a really good young talent in the meganes, but if anyone can use it to their advantage it's costa. |
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