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2 May 2012, 07:53 (Ref:3068195) | #1 | ||
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Hi Im new so thanks for the time. I have a 240rs which Im looking for some infomation about. It was a Blydinstein built car, that was first registered in 1986.
During its restoration I found a date under a accident repair which was in 1986, but before it was first registered. Is there any body who knows anytime about BBR's testing. Such as what cars were used. I have photos of the car when the first owner brought it and it appears that the damage was before he brought it. Many thanks Last edited by dat240; 2 May 2012 at 08:17. Reason: wrong dates |
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2 May 2012, 13:48 (Ref:3068297) | #2 | ||
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I'm not a rally expert but that car was registered pretty late by 240RS standards as the cars ran competitively between 1983-85(ish) There were a handful that ran in the UK Open or National rally series and one of them even found its way onto the circuits in the UK Thundersaloon series driven by one Barrie Williams, as well as the Northern Sports/GT Challenge centred around Oulton Park. My recollection is that Tony Pond and Timo Salonen drove Nissan Europe entered cars in some World and European events in 1983/84, Terry Kaby joined the programme in 84/85 but that was mainly in Britain plus a few Euro rallies. I can't recall which other drivers used them? I think Alistair Sutherland also rallied one quite well on the National scene in 1985 before he got his 6R4? Hope that spurs people into further assistance for you. My initial reaction is that your car sat somewhere unused and then was registered up to be sold on in 1986? |
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There is still at least one 240RS that competes on a regular basis in the UK - we've been up against it a few times (we can beat it in the wet on twisty stages ). I think it's owned by Ian Roberton (and I think it's actually chassis #1). http://www.flickr.com/photos/rutthenut/3414759191/ Maybe see if you can get in touch with the people that built the car? It's surprising just how much info you can get if you manage to get hold of the right people. |
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3 May 2012, 06:52 (Ref:3068596) | #4 | ||
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4 May 2012, 14:46 (Ref:3069363) | #5 | |
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Was there one racing in modified saloons in the mid 90's?
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Apart from the already-mentioned Salonen, Pond and Terry Kaby at WRC and European/UK international level, Shekhar Mehta was also a regular in them, usually on the rougher WRC rounds where the 240RS was a bit more in it's element, and the long-haul trips to events outside Europe- Acropolis, Safari, Ivory Coast, New Zealand, Argentina- though he did at least one RAC in one as well http://www.flickr.com/photos/45777493@N06/4315937909/ I can remember David Llewellin and the late Mark Lovell (IIRC he won a National Championship in one?) also appearing in them on UK national events around 1984/5, and there were quite a lot around at national privateer level in the UK and Ireland. Bert Mk2 mentioned Ian Roberton currently running a 240RS- He had at least one back in the mid-80's as well, apparently the ex-Aitken-Walker car: http://www.flickr.com/photos/howiendlynne/4102191381/ http://www.240rs.jp/HXI%207635.html Another 240RS name that comes to mind on national events, and sometimes overseas is James Prochowski (with UB40 sponsorship) http://www.flickr.com/photos/16788879@N02/3120382111/ http://i78.servimg.com/u/f78/13/28/48/21/240rsp11.jpg They were a surprisingly popular privateer car in the UK and Europe, bearing in mind that they weren't usually as competitive as something like an Ascona/Manta 400, especially on tarmac events |
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Ian Roberton owns/drives chassis 1, reg number UIA 4275. He also owned/drove the Aitken-Walker car HXI 7635.
My car has the reg number HXI 7637. IT was first registered 18-2-85 and the vehicle acquired 18-2-86, what ever that means. I know that Blydinstein was supplying cars and parts well into 86 and later in the middle east. My car went from England to do rally Argentina then it went to Jordan for a few years then to Lebanon where I found it. I feel that the car had seen some work before it was taken to Argentina, Ive spoken to the guy who took it to Argentina and didnt think it had been but when I look at the photos taken at that time it shows the signs of the damage. |
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7 May 2012, 05:46 (Ref:3070488) | #10 | ||
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Thanks. Apart from the thunder saloon car, would any one have any photos of crashed-accident damaged 240rs rally cars. Just mite stumble on a photo of the car.
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7 May 2012, 07:22 (Ref:3070509) | #11 | |
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Looked in Barrie William's book, reckon he was racing the Nissan in about 1983/84.
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UB40 must have a lot of info / photos of the car /s. Dont forget Andy Dawson ran one in UK & possibly european events. |
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I don't recall if Whizzo was still involved by the time I saw it (and I seem to have lost the race programme), but I think the 240RS in Thundersaloons might have been around for at least couple of seasons- I'm sure the only time I saw it was at Silverstone, at one of those GM Dealers-sponsored Thundersaloon meetings, which would have been 1986 or even 87
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http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...rRally1985.jpg I suspect there was presumably some kind of tax or Type Approval reason for them not being registered on the mainland? (In a similar vein, didn't a lot of the David Sutton Audi UK Quattros have IoM plates?) Last edited by KA; 7 May 2012 at 20:50. |
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KA I think it was a guy called John Bell who entered the car in '85 with Whizzo as the second driver. One ran up north a couple of years later i think it was Brian Litherland who raced either the same car or a different one? This was the guy who owned or leased a VK Holden at some point too?
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Thanks- I can't remember who ran the 240RS I saw in Thundersaloons, but was pretty sure it was '86/7, so presumably not the Bell/Williams combo.
I was looking out some pics earlier- can't find one of the 240RS so far, but other cars at the same meeting include the Stars & Stripes Manta, the GMDS Carlton (plus the Senator/Commodore, by then sold on to Pete Stevens), and a Quattro- Andy Dawson-run as I recall. Modsaloons were also on the programme, and Brian Chatfield's ex-Bastos Rover is in one shot, so I reckon it has to be 1987 Litherland's name rings a bell, but probably from the Thundersaloon threads either on here or Autosport Nostalgia forum. If I can find a pic of the Nissan, I'll post it. Here's the 1985 Bell/Williams car: http://www.racing-car-photos.com/picture/number1704.asp Apparently it's still alive, under restoration by a guy named Tom Murphy, who also has an ex-Mark Lovell car from 1984, WIA3104. http://www.project-831.co.uk/aboutus (Lovell's 1985 National Championship car, FIW6902, in distinctive Catrol colours is apparently now in NZ) http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...Stages1985.jpg http://www.drivesouth.co.nz/newsitem...g-nissan-240rs |
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Chassis 103 has just come up for sale. This was originally sent over to South Africa but is a UK registered car.
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From memory there was a good article in CCC some years back (it would have to be because CCC stopped being published some years ago !)
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As you said, quite a few of the GMDS Mantas were N.I registered- and thinking about it, a lot of the David Sutton/Audi UK Quattros wore Isle of Man plates... Just been looking at 240RS pics on around the web, and found something interesting in a description of the ex-Ian Roberton car FIW9125 (he seems to have had two or three) which probably accounts for this: 'The first keeper of this car was Blydenstein Racing, registered at an office address in Northern Ireland, and there is a goverment document supporting this... Thereby confirming a link to that prestigious tuning company, if only as the importer... In the 1980's, the Northern Irish Registration Office wasn't linked to DVLA in the UK, as it is now, and the DVLA V5 Registration document doesn't begin listing owners until 1989...' http://www.nissan-240rs.com/RHD_Niss..._Rallycar.html If Blydenstein had an office in N Ireland, it makes perfect sense that a lot of the cars had N.I. reg numbers, as they were presumably imported via there |
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I would have thought that WBB had an office in Ireland purely for vehicle registration purposes. As others have already mentioned, a number of cars wore either Irish or IOM registrations, so I can only assume that there must have been a reason for doing this. maybe taxation, insurance or type approval? but I'm sure there will have been a reason for doing it, which is why they's have set up an office (or just an address) there. (PS, I'm not implying that anything underhand was going on, just that there must have been a sound reason for doing this). |
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(Edited to add- just had a quick search, and came up with some pics on the Pistonheads forum from a July '87 Thundersaloon meeting at Silverstone- which I guess must be the one I was at.) The Dawson Quattro: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...6071987003.jpg and returning back on topic- the 240RS in the pit garage- Bryan Litherland/Rhoddy Harvey-Bailey according to the forum post I found it on http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...6071987012.jpg |
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