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23 Dec 2012, 09:23 (Ref:3181310) | #2651 | |
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Just think if they were 800kg with a little more power. LMP in the alms a few years back were just as fast as indy car on certain tracks.
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It hasn't been 8 seconds since 2008. Won't bother calculating averages but more like 10 seconds and clearly even more if only pole laps are compared. Last edited by deggis; 23 Dec 2012 at 10:01. |
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23 Dec 2012, 09:45 (Ref:3181316) | #2653 | |
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In 2008, the Audi R10 was only 3 tenths off of the IRL pole time at St. Petersburg.
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23 Dec 2012, 11:16 (Ref:3181332) | #2655 | |
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Coincidentally didn't check 2007 times but 2008 - so ok, not pure fabrication but a lot of that might be because of night time and other tracks I compared (Barcelona, Monza, Spa) tell a different story.
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That's why I said right tracks and right conditions. But yeah, it's far more of an exception than a rule.
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23 Dec 2012, 22:16 (Ref:3181476) | #2657 | |
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Yeah, but not always correct. The fastest lap at Spa this year was in the 1:52.822. Compared to 2:01.851 for the Audi E-Tron. A little bit higher than 8 seconds. Shanghai fastest lap 1:39.96 in F1, 1:48.815 Toyota TS030 A little bit higher than 8 seconds. Some of the races were about 10 seconds, some were less. Bahrain was done in extreme heat for the WEC race, if it were earlier or later in the year the times could have been faster. Brazil was even closer, but F1's race was somewhat wet most the time.
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23 Dec 2012, 23:01 (Ref:3181485) | #2658 | |
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It would be awesome to see some combined 2 class races with F1 as the top class and LMP1 as the bottom class!
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(I use sarcasm in the term "Very" of course). But Gregtummer, remember you post in the Sportscar section of the Forum. The place where most posters place LMP's and GT's above all. We do not like to put as "bottom" class to something like F1 . Besides, having a Series running both F1's and Lmp1's would be contradicting, F1's are Sprint cars, LMP1's are Endurance. The fact that LMP1's are only 8-10 seconds slower is more a proof of F1 being slow than LMP1's being fast (which they of course is, but compared to the fact that F1's are supposed to be the fastest machines around a track) And Merry Christmas (I'll stop editting now) Last edited by CTD; 23 Dec 2012 at 23:21. |
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And for the record, I much prefer LMPs to F1. But since F1 is 8-10 seconds a lap faster than LMPs, it would make sense for them to be the top class. |
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Not to mention, the obvious problem with F1's exposed tires. The Wee Scot in the Audi would only need to graze the F1 car and it's suspension would collapse. Imagine, ok lets play along... imagine the F1 car with large headlamps mounted above(or probably on) the front tires. And imagine the F1 team only being able to use one gun at a time with only two tire changers.(sportscar forum so the teams must use Sportscar rules!) lol This is fun! Finally, F1 cars are rather cramped. Where will they hide the utility tool kit?
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24 Dec 2012, 00:02 (Ref:3181509) | #2662 | |
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LMP1's only lose out to F1 in the lower speed corners (because of weight) and the acceleration (again weight and power). They probably make as much downforce and are capable of more. That's why I was hoping the future LMP regulations would be something like 700-800kg, not this 850kg+ crap. Maybe the FIA realized these cars would be getting serious speed, maybe it was more down to makers not able to go that low of a weight, but I doubt that would be a major issue. A smaller turbo engine with ERS' I don't see making the cars too much more than 800kg.
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29 Dec 2012, 00:30 (Ref:3182588) | #2663 | |
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http://www.motorsport-total.com/wec/..._12122802.html has an interview with Ulrich Baretzky about the 2014 engine rules.
No real new information. He just says that it is challenging to find the optimal solution for an efficient engine and that is difficult to balance diesel and petrol engines because diesel engines are typically more efficient, but heavier (which affects handling). |
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5 Jan 2013, 19:32 (Ref:3185176) | #2664 | ||
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Just looking through my pictures from Le Mans, and spotted that on several cars, the rear wheels is visible through the BHH. How does this work with the regulations that says the rear wheels may not be visible from behind (the rule that forced the louvres behind the rear wheels)
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11 Jan 2013, 12:10 (Ref:3187696) | #2667 | ||
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Some interesting quotes from the WMS13 keynote of FIA technical director Bernard Niclot:
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With new regulations in 2014 for both F1 and WEC today a read an article in Autosport that talks about the new 1.6 v6 turbo from Mercedes. in the interview i read this "The current KERS currently produces 80hp for 6.7 seconds per lap, while the new ERS will deliver 161 hp for 33.3 seconds per lap."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105080 The new engines will produce 750 bhp. Did anyone know what power will produce the new LMP1´s??? |
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11 Jan 2013, 16:41 (Ref:3187792) | #2670 | |
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The 2014 F1 rules restrict the fuel flow of the internal combustion engine to 100 kg/h and the ERS to 4 MJ/lap.
The 2014 LMP1 rules allow different ERS options (0 upto 8 MJ). Considering that a Le Mans lap is double the length of most F1 laps, it is best to look at the 8 MJ/lap ERS option. For this option, the fuel flow of the internal combustion engine is restricted to 85 kg/h (for petrol fuel). If a 2014 F1 engine can produce 600 hp with 100 kg/h, then it would produce around 510 hp with 85 kg/h. |
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500 bhp + ERS (how many bhp?) for (how many seconds?) in a total of (how many bhp?) Did the Toyota Hybrid really produce 300 bhp? for how long? Seems to me that in the future some team´s could adopt detuned F1 engines!!! |
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The 2014 LMP1 rules do not restrict the output of the ERS. The manufacturers have to chose at which rate to release the 8 MJ/lap ERS.
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The current LMP1 rules allow for 500 kJ per braking zone. So the Toyota KERS will be active for 500 kJ / 220 kW = 2.3 seconds per braking zone. The output power of the Audi KERS is only 150 kW = 200 bhp. So it will be active for 500 kJ / 150 kW = 3.3 seconds per braking zone. Yes, this is/was the plan. |
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Do you see any team using the Mercedes V6 engine??? :-) our the Renault V6 or even the Ferrari V6???
It would be nice to see the 14´ Wirth Coupe with a Mercedes engine :-) |
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Short answer: no. I suspect that some old P1 customer engines might be reborn though... weren't Judd saying something about the possibility of resurrecting the GV5/5.5 for the 2014 rules?
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The latest RCE edition has an article about the 2014 LMP1 rules, that contains a lot of interesting simulations to predict the lap time, top speed, best engine configuration, etc. :
The author simulated two engine configurations (small 2.8 V6 vs big 4.0 V8) and concludes that the bigger engine is the best option.
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