Monster Energy to Take Whincup to court - Page 5

Umai Naa · 11 Mar 2013, 06:33 (Ref:3216895)

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Originally Posted by Langers

Question: who actually owns T8 in Australia? Roland is variously referred to as "boss", "managing director", "team principle" and other titles, but not from memory as "owner"...

Mr Dane, and some investors, apparently.

Before anyone says it, they severed ties with Triple Eight in the UK years ago, so in effect, they're an Australian team.

rich07 · 11 Mar 2013, 08:12 (Ref:3216912)

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Originally Posted by MalcolmC

Why don't they resolve it like 1000's of broken families all over the world?
Monster can have Jamie on week nights, then Jamie can go to Red Bull for the weekends.

Failing that, lets get the parties involved onto Judge Judy, that'd be worth watching Roland try to argue with her, not many get a word over that lady.

TSR · 11 Mar 2013, 22:47 (Ref:3217252)

Story on Speedcafe says it is in front of the NSW courts as this week, and hoping for a outcome.

Umai Naa · 11 Mar 2013, 23:19 (Ref:3217262)

I'm not that great with legal-speak, but it seemed that in the link Mr Magic posted up, that the judge was somewhat dismissive of both Mr Dane's and Mr Monster's for why Monster should/shouldn't continue to persue action.

I don't know why they can't just let common sense prevail, come to a financial agreement, and call it quits.

TWRv12 · 12 Mar 2013, 00:44 (Ref:3217289)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

I don't know why they can't just let common sense prevail, come to a financial agreement, and call it quits.

Who's going to bang heads together now Cocho is not around?

peckstar · 12 Mar 2013, 00:47 (Ref:3217291)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

I don't know why they can't just let common sense prevail, come to a financial agreement, and call it quits.

because we are not talking about the school yard here, this is big business worth more money than most of us make in a year.

thus these things go to court and the judge decides the law (of which few of us are experts)

D.R.T. · 12 Mar 2013, 03:53 (Ref:3217325)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

because we are not talking about the school yard here, this is big business worth more money than most of us make in a year.

If you were Monster would you want a patron representing your brand if they didnt want to be part of it?

Ofcourse they deserve some financial compensation but apart from that - sever ties and be done with it.

Jamie Whincup is not really that big of business.

peckstar · 12 Mar 2013, 04:37 (Ref:3217330)

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Originally Posted by D.R.T.

If you were Monster would you want a patron representing your brand if they didnt want to be part of it?

Ofcourse they deserve some financial compensation but apart from that - sever ties and be done with it.

Jamie Whincup is not really that big of business.

My opinion and yours also is irrelevant though.

we dont have the terms of the contract, and we dont know the legal case.

so let me repeat

thus these things go to court and the judge decides the law (of which few of us are experts)

Umai Naa · 12 Mar 2013, 04:59 (Ref:3217335)

It's no different to Mr van Gisbergen.

The person doesn't want to, or can't represent a party, so horses are flogged to death. Sure up the figures, and move on. All it does is clog the legal system up with trivial crap.

peckstar · 12 Mar 2013, 06:11 (Ref:3217343)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

It's no different to Mr van Gisbergen.

The person doesn't want to, or can't represent a party, so horses are flogged to death. Sure up the figures, and move on. All it does is clog the legal system up with trivial crap.

its a lovely opinion, you should start a campaign. maybe a motorsport forum isnt the ideal spot though.

Meanwhile is grown ups world Two multi million dollar companies are having a legal case today,

D.R.T. · 12 Mar 2013, 08:28 (Ref:3217368)

Bit defensive Pecky?

No one is arguing that is needs to be settled between the two parties - what one is discussing is the merits of a long drawn out court case when its clear one party doesnt want a bar of the other.

Umai Naa · 12 Mar 2013, 08:33 (Ref:3217371)

Spot-on.

Why can't it be a case of Mr Whincup refunding Monster it's money, and leaving it at that?

cavvy · 12 Mar 2013, 08:38 (Ref:3217373)

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Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Bit defensive Pecky?

No one is arguing that is needs to be settled between the two parties - what one is discussing is the merits of a long drawn out court case when its clear one party doesnt want a bar of the other.

You overlook one party who feels they've been used, been dudded .... do many sports types walk out on contractual responsibilities?

Unfortunately for Jamie, Monster are standing on principle as Monster see it. That its Red Bull is certainly relevant.

MattV · 12 Mar 2013, 10:12 (Ref:3217403)

From the pleadings it appears Monster had a direct contract with Jamie (the person).
Triple 888 have a contract with a company that states it will provide the service of Jamie.

I think this will be very interesting. Unfortunately, it seems that ultimately it will only serve to make law firms rich.

D.R.T. · 12 Mar 2013, 11:59 (Ref:3217433)

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Originally Posted by cavvy

You overlook one party who feels they've been used, been dudded .... do many sports types walk out on contractual responsibilities?

No doubt and they should be compensated for it.

How many types in sports walk out or break contracts - plenty

Axeman444 · 13 Mar 2013, 00:16 (Ref:3217655)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

My opinion and yours also is irrelevant though.

we dont have the terms of the contract, and we dont know the legal case.

So given you have no knowledge of what was in the contract and the conditions of breaking said contract between SBR and SVG, in that case your opinion that SVG is a "low life", a "turncoat", and a "lying little turd" is also irrelevant? Good to know.

TWRv12 · 13 Mar 2013, 02:35 (Ref:3217673)

settled out-of-court.
http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/03/13/...nster-dispute/

kittle · 13 Mar 2013, 02:45 (Ref:3217675)

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Originally Posted by TWRv12

settled out-of-court.
http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/03/13/...nster-dispute/

So who picked up the bill? T8?? Red Bull???

peckstar · 13 Mar 2013, 02:52 (Ref:3217676)

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Originally Posted by Axeman444

So given you have no knowledge of what was in the contract and the conditions of breaking said contract between SBR and SVG, in that case your opinion that SVG is a "low life", a "turncoat", and a "lying little turd" is also irrelevant? Good to know.

im not remotely sure how you have vaguley linked those two topics together.

My opinion of SVG has not changed.

**GTRMagic** · 13 Mar 2013, 04:28 (Ref:3217683)

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Originally Posted by kittle

So who picked up the bill? T8?? Red Bull???

Arguably 888 caused the contractual frustration.. so maybe they kicked the tin... or not

Bell_End · 13 Mar 2013, 05:08 (Ref:3217687)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Spot-on.

Why can't it be a case of Mr Whincup refunding Monster it's money, and leaving it at that?

Maybe Monster saw the potential of having a multiple championship winning (and maybe in 2013 which they had a contract for) driver on the books and wanted to be compensated for the loss of that as well as just the money paid to have whincup being a spokesperson. The ROI for these deals are more than just what they pay the sports person, no doubt Monster was arguing this point for a better settlement because it is no fault of theirs that 888 took the money from another drinks company..

thunderbolt · 13 Mar 2013, 09:11 (Ref:3217724)

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226596683929

?

Monster didn't seek any damages from Whincup, with their claim only wanting "a remedy for the breach'' by him ceasing any promotion of Red Bull.

**GTRMagic** · 13 Mar 2013, 10:24 (Ref:3217745)

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Originally Posted by thunderbolt

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226596683929

?

Monster didn't seek any damages from Whincup, with their claim only wanting "a remedy for the breach'' by him ceasing any promotion of Red Bull.

So... Mr Whincup will have to say 'Red Bull Racing Australia' every time he gets out of the car, in deference to this 'settlement'?

Madness...

dirtymacca · 13 Mar 2013, 11:36 (Ref:3217779)

Who gives a **** about the details, only rumor mongers and the gossips care.

Common sense won!

rik · 14 Mar 2013, 12:12 (Ref:3218273)

I hope JW gets a new manager and lawyer before he signs any new contracts!!!!

BTW who is his managerr?

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