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Suspension Tech War?
Or: What the FRIC are they up to now?
Self-leveling suspension is the new blown diffuser. Or is it? http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/106621 |
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Once the teams get it working it will be banned.
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I am not trying to argue it should be banded, but I am curious as to the wording around active suspension. I am curious if anyone is trying to build a hydraulic based logic system (computer) along with hydro and/or mechanical sensors. For example, adjustments front/rear or to each corner based upon multidimensional g-loading.
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Was it really just 58 years ago that Citroen introduced the concept to roadcars?
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On the Citroen front, the dealer in Oxford had a well known F1 team come in and buy essentially most of the components from the hydropneumatic system from the parts department during the active years. Only did it once so presumably looking for ideas or components that could be remade lighter etc. There really is nothing completely new is there? |
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Reason it has taken so long is because it has to be completely passive otherwise it is banned, look at Lotus's trial a couple of years back based upon a reaction force to braking. It was deemed to be active suspension.
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You should read Racecar Engineering (I would say that of course) but we detailed the system last year - most of the top teams are running a similar design - even the 2013 Force India is designed to be fitted with hydraulically interlinked suspension like this.
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The purpose of interconnection a la Citroen and Hydrolastic was to separate pitch stiffness from bounce stiffness. Rather like anti-roll bars separate roll stiffness from bounce stiffness. I'm not quite sure what F1 is trying to achieve with FRIC as the holy grail is constant ride height. PS. Just remembered, it was more than 58 years ago that Citroen introduced interconnected suspension. The 2CV had a big spring under each sill to do the same job, and I think that was introduced in 1939 or thereabouts. |
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Oh look, another technology for the cavemen at the FIA to ban. If they banned Lotus' suspension last year (which they also at first allowed), which seems even simpler than this, there's no way they'll allow this simple, harmless (safer even, since it keeps the car stable through basic physics and not computer control) suspension technology to remain.
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There ain't nothing new, but you can make very expensive versions of the same thing. It's not like anyone would struggle to make a fully functional active suspension system for next years cars, if it were allowed now. But you might find that some of the lower teams couldn't afford them, or some of the other stuff that F1 has thrown away because all it was doing was adding to costs, but not to the sport.
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