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When the car moves up (lift/take off).. that thing doesn't help a bit
Only when the car rotates ( moves round /spins), that thing can function as an aero brake |
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Watch this short clip, this is in 1991, the story starts at about 0:24 and I made the video start right there, so you don't have to waste time:
http://youtu.be/bxlBc1OSVek?t=24s This is a perfect example of why we need vertical fins! With a vertical fin this take off would have not happened. |
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LeMans has its own needs to all other WEC tracks in calender. |
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That's the one variation we're probably going to see but nothing more then that. Just like all the previous years.
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11 Mar 2014, 21:01 (Ref:3377544) | #237 | |
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Excellent! Let's see if this will propagate to other teams. It may have some great drag reduction value.
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Let's analyze carefully the dynamics. The car gets hit in the rear left corner. The result is completely blown rear tire! That makes the car "sit" on the ground with the rear left corner. While the car is sitting on its rear left corner, is also spinning towards the left. So now we have a "rocker effect" which means the sitting low left corner results in elevating higher the front right corner. The car is already sidewise, with its right front "up" and its rear left "down" (sitting on the floor). That is a fantastic scenario of more air coming "in" and no air going "out".... at that point nothing can help as the situation only escalates, rapidly. If that car remained on its four tires and the floor was parallel to the ground at all time, the flip would not have happened, and that is what the vertical fin was introduced for. |
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You can put what ever on the car that you think it might be safe in a situation but not a single accident is same and as sayed you cant plan what will happen and those fins sofar were useless actually. |
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True....
Also is true that we will never completely resolve everything... even if we change the rules, there will always be something that is not going to work in all the directions we want. My personal vote goes for "let's live with gravity" Looking forward to seeing the TS040 in sharper, high res images! Seems like it is going to have some interesting aero solutions. |
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I think we'll see them fins disappear at some point. Most likely after a huge crash in which the fin is to blame. Anyhow, I hope Toyota doesn't suffer from another old and slightly blind Fiar driver in this years race. |
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That said, again, I am not "pro" BHF and not trying to promote anything. A group of people made some rules and looks like for the next three years we are going to roll with those rules. Maybe you are right and one day they will change or perhaps improve, then perhaps we are not going to have BHF anymore. Hence my note in supporting gravity. We can't quite change certain things, so may as well embrace them. |
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Maybe the fin discussion should be in the lmp future regs thread? Not many here like it, but we shouldn't clutter up these car specific threads with talk about their success or failure, right?
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To get back on topic: I feel the aspect that will make or break Toyota this season will be the engine. They've shown they have the hybrid capability and they're performance at the f1 'aero' tracks has always been good. If they've got that nailed this year, which I'd bet they have, the engine is most likely gonna be the weak link.
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TMG has a cool entrance display with the 2012 TS030 alongside the WRC Corolla and unraced TF110 (where I took my screen name from)...
As for the engine, Id say theyre in much better shape than last year with the improved efficiency thanks to the higher hybrid allowance and in better shape than Porsche. |
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