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It seems to me that when SCCA is running with a series like Indycar or NASCAR, they have to live with the schedule that they are given. PWC doesn't seem to have the following where they can dictate the schedule to their liking. I would also think that if another series ended up getting their race or session cut short or cancelled because PWC had a 20 or 30 minute cleanup, they would not be happy. I understand the diversity of the field but there are other series' that offer diversity and they have to live with the schedule too.
At WG the Continental race started off with a long yellow and it would not be fair for the other races after that race had to suffer because if the caution periods were tacked onto the end of the race. A solution would be for PWC to be the last race of the day at around 3pm and that would leave 2 hours to get through a 50 minute race. Another solution would be for PWC to be the headliner race for the weekend and then they can call the shots (I still think that is difficult because it looks like you need support races to fill the dead time on the track and if you continually take advantage of them, they will go elsewhere). One more solution would be for a longer PWC race so they have more green flag time. Maybe make them like a Continental race where they are 2-1/2 hours long. PWC looks like they are stuck with what they got. Great series, great diversity in two classes but not enough of a following to make it the headline of the weekend. Maybe that will change for 2015. |
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Good article on DSC, interview with PWC CEO: http://www.dailysportscar.com/?p=35461
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Yep, it is, it's also the way GT Tour, British GT, Blancpain Endurance and Sprint, GT Open, GT Asia, ELMS (now) and various other series work. Arguably GT Masters is the GT championship of the world closest to being Pro, but that still follows the model for most of the grid.
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8 Jul 2014, 02:37 (Ref:3431630) | #708 | |
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I was talking to someone from IMSA at WG and he told me that IMSA has three sets of customers. The competitors, partners (sponsors) and the fans. If one goes away, then they won't have a series. I wonder if PWC is concentrating on the competitors right now to build that up and then they can start looking into the sponsors and fans as customers too. I'm a bit confused because they were advertising that the series celebrated it's 25th anniversary and you'd think by now, they would have all of that in place 10 to 15 years ago. Again, I'll have to find out when I go to one of their races.
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8 Jul 2014, 18:52 (Ref:3431885) | #711 | |
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From looking around, I wonder if SCCA Pro Racing could do a complete weekend with their series' (like what IMSA is doing).
-GT,GT-A and GTS for two 50 minute sprint races -TC,TCA,TCB for two 40 minute sprints -Trans-Am for a 100 minute race -MX-5 Cup two 45 minute sprints -F1600/2000 two 30 minute sprints -Atlantics two 30 minute sprints If Trans-Am can do a 100 minute race, I would think that the GT-GT-A and GTS cars could do that too. Maybe a 50 minute sprint on Saturday and a 100 minute enduro on Sunday. This way, SCCA Pro controls the weekend (like what IMSA did at WG). If they need to change the schedule, they can. Maybe have the GT,GT-A,GTS 50 minute sprint be at the end of the day on Saturday and if the race needs to be stopped to clean up an accident, then they stop the clock and cars to clean it up. That way they can still give the fans 50 minutes of racing. As for tracks, you have places like Lime Rock, VIR, NJMP, Mid-Ohio, Road America, Barber, Sonoma, Miller, Canadian Tire Motorsports Park, Laguna Seca. All natural terrain and tracks that NASCAR doesn't control. With all of the momentum of PWC, this would just give the fan double the choices of races to go to (when you count IMSA and SCCA Pro). IMSA can do the endurance events and SCCA can handle the sprints. Looks to me that SCCA could do this. Since I have never been to a PWC event or any SCCA Pro, I don't know if this would be something that would bring out the fans or not. Then, does SCCA Pro have all of the manufacturer and sponsor displays (like IMSA has) to keep you busy during the times where you just want to walk around. http://www.sccaproracing.com/ |
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"The irony is if every series went and did what this board complains about ..."
They are already doing what we complain about ... that's why we are complaining. PWC seems to have a working formula.We shall see if and how the proposed enduros work out. Some people think "Blancpain USA" would be a real hit---cars people recognize, close racing, long enough events for things to develop but short enough that people can commit to watching the whole race. |
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PWC could limit cost of refueling for the 'desired' enduros (yes please!) by doing that a la Zolder and Dubai 24 hours in a separate refueling area with 4-6 regular pomps instead of the more expensive, individual pit box devices.
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The refueling equipment is a miniscule cost in an endurance race. The current season runs 850 minutes of race time. One single 6 hour race will add 360 minutes to that figure and a 10 hour race will add 600 minutes to that figure.
Not to mention the investment in pit equipment (fast air guns for tire changes are expensive, most PWC teams use slower and cheaper guns) which would only be required for a handful of events is not a good use of money. You're looking at more then doubling a season budget by just adding a single 6 Hour race to the schedule. It's the dumbest idea I've heard for the PWC series and as soon as the teams do the math they'll give it a big middle finger. If SCCA Pro Racing wants to run/sanction some endurance races with GT3 cars I'd be all for it and totally support them (but probably not with my wallet), but the current Pirelli World Challenge series is no place for it. -mike |
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Just watching the Road America race back; what a circuit and event: nice to see the other marques being involved, the McLarens and Porsches featuring well and finally seeing GT3s on the sort of US track they belong on.
Great drives by Skeen, Thorne and Bergmeister, fantastic 4, 5 or 6 car battles early on between the Ferrari, Audis, McLarens and Bergmeister's Porsche. Looking forward to the next rounds, I can't see much that needs to change! Last edited by Rodger Davies; 9 Jul 2014 at 23:36. |
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It's great to have another person see the light that is PWC. The only thing we need is to get a bit more cars in the series to have GT/GTA race separate from GTS (both classes are awesome),
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I get that if the grid gets any bigger they will pretty much have to split the classes at places like St. Pete and Long Beach though. I just can't help but feel like adding a few GT cars won't be able to add anywhere near as much excitement as we will lose by cutting the GTS cars out. Hope I'm wrong though. |
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When GTS runs on its own..what is the real purpose for Trans Am to exist? Think about it...
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