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You're right, Simmi, about contesting the existence of a car. I was more referring to: Here's my
take/progress on blueprints for an LMP1, let's build and race it! vs. Here's my name, let's go racing with something we maybe build or buy! "Marketing" places the "brand" (smoke) obviously above the accessible engineering content. About 'it might have been at the request of Brabham': Perrinn said (see above) he wasn't aware of the Brabham Project. It's very, very, very hard to believe that the other way round. So that would imply that Brabham did prefer not to have a connection to the Perrinn project. Begging the question of the "why". As to not dilute the "brand"? A Question I would have loved being asked and answered. The 10pm internet radio is one thing, other sites like e.g. racer doing the same thing is another. Still it won't make or break anything, but the circle of specialized journalists in the area isn't huge, and if seemingly a couple of them have similar tastes/preferences and write accordingly, IMHO they will make an impact, being the professional "multiplicators" they are. I'm neither a PR guy nor an oceanologist, but ISTM for a tsunami to happen, some unnoticed underground earthquake has to appear, building momentum to ultimately come up with waves that are hard to ignore. So if you can control the centre of the quake, you might just be able to shape the waves. If RLM had asked the question, racer might have had to, Perrinn might have gotten more exposure, the exclusivity of the announcement dilluted, whatever. Again, I'm not a marketing guy. But Brabham chose RLM to be #1 for a reason. And that reason is not because it's an internet radio show that people ignore... Again, I've supported both projects because ultimately I'd love to see them both. I love Perrinn's response, but frankly, how else could he respond. I'm disappointed/confused in Brabham not seeing the bigger opportunity in going to Perrinn than going solo. I'm not a marketing guy though. They might understand. |
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Great post Ephaeton.
There's now an opportunity to ask question of not approaching Perrinn from Brabs himself http://www.dailysportscar.com/2014/1...rabham-qa.html Well assuming DSC allows 'tough' questions through their filters... if the specialist media is too afraid to ask these (and picks up preferences on who to support), someone must Last edited by Deleted; 2 Oct 2014 at 11:23. |
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thanks for the pointer, Chiana.
I indeed sent a message to GG of DSC, and we'll see where that leads. Btw, the most "rational" explanation (to me, in my mind, not objectively for someone with absolute knowledge) for Brabham not approaching Perrinn is that IMHO Brabham thinks Perrinn's project is a walking dead and the less publicly he has to state such, the better (because he's a nice guy). And now he'll have to, heh ... |
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2 Oct 2014, 12:38 (Ref:3459500) | #254 | |
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If you're trying to generate buzz and goodwill around an idea then you wouldn't necessarily shine a light in the direction of something similar that hasn't worked.
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Maybe Perrin signed up with PB as an engineer to 'monitor progress'?
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Boys - just caught up with this thread and will respond to a number of points raised
I have spoken with Nicolas on a number of occasions about his project, have run a couple of stories about it and will likely do so again as and when there is progress to report. On Brabham - The reality is that this is a significant move from a significant personality in the business with a very significant name. David has been a very significant part of the sportscar scene from the very start of DSC and its predecessors It seems that a substantial number of people agree with that. On another front - I was asked, as were RLM, to be involved with the launch announcement. I have spoken to David, and to his team, on several occasions since and that has been a consistent two way contact. In contrast I have called Nicolas a number of times over the course of this year - I have never had a call from him. I don't hold that against him, but it does mean that in a very busy life he can fall off the radar at times. I am prepping a piece on the issues of open source and crowd funding models of funding for future publication and am talking to a number of other people about them - these things take time. I have also interviewed David, at some length, again for future publication, and can tell you that I did ask him the question about Perrinn - He was as classy as Nicolas was in the statement you have pasted below. I will say that the use of words such as 'respamming' in relation to what DSC, and for that matter RLM have been doing with coverage is pretty insulting. Anything and everything I write is something that you can choose to read or not. Spam is something entirely different. The question sent in btw is entirely acceptable - I don't intend to employ any 'filter' with this. The sentiment behind part of it though is hardly supportive of either project (evidenced by the post here today at 12:30 which is just plain unpleasant imho) I'd ask the question in reverse - Why on earth should anyone make the assumption that Brabham should be involved with Perrinn. The fact that there are some similarities with some of the business models doesn't mean, in any way that it's a slap in the face to Nicolas that they aren't! David wants to go to LMP2 - Nicolas is designing an LMP1 There are a number of current and emergent LMP2 projects out there that might be a much, much better fit. In various ways the Perrinn and Brabham projects go back a fair way into the past. Both guys have their own ideas on how to progress - Nicolas needs funding to progress the project to production, David needs funding for, well more or less everything! I'd ask a further question - Why, if you were in David's position, would you risk everything on co-operating with a project for a new and unproven product that would need a redesign on an as yet unbuilt design to meet your needs when there are other solutions available that have proven performance already in the marketplace? Oh and btw - on the choice of RLM to launch it - They get a bigger and more interactive audience than anything else in the specialist motorsport marketplace, by a distance. You may have missed the little nugget a week or two back that they have had over 1.5 million downloads of podcasts this year. That's over and above those that listen live (literally millions more). Please guys, do yourselves a favour and don't see conspiracy and underhand tactics everywhere - when the reality is that there are a lot of people working really, really hard to do as good a job as they/ we can to help you to enjoy your sport |
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Thanks for your reply, Graham *draws hat*.
[ I did not intend for my 12:30 CET message to be "unpleasant", but there's not much I can do about that ] Quote:
My experiences, being from a different engineering field, may or may not apply to this specific field, etc., but I feel the same core mechanics of involvement, momentum, and willingness to pay for something that's "awesome" and a "must-have" apply across the field boundaries. |
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I must confess, following Graham's post - which I applaud - I'm not sure I understand a word of the last one.......
Edit - I should add perhaps, that my post wasn't intended to criticise Ephaeton's views, just post #257, which I didn't follow.... Last edited by Aysedasi; 2 Oct 2014 at 17:42. |
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Brab's answer on Perrinn from DSC:
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yeah. well, all classy-as-**** gentlemen in the game obviously.
What he replies is true, and that leaves me with an opinion, which is fine. Plus, thanks for putting this one up @Graham Goodwin. Back to Mr. Perrinn and his developing project & brand. |
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Alrighty, another gentleman asking the crowd for a quarter million pounds.
This time on the crowdcube platform. And this time it's Mr. Perrinn himself. Check out the project's homepage, http://www.perrinn.com , for some pointers, or the crowdcube project page itself: http://www.crowdcube.com/investment/perrinn-16844 To paraphrase from another thread on here, time to give some dreams some solidity. bonus for the Perrinn campaign: Money's only flowing if he makes the target. |
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14 Oct 2014, 14:26 (Ref:3464967) | #263 | |
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To be honest Perrin should have been doing this from the start. The Brabham project was later to the party but it was much better thought out.
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20 Oct 2014, 13:47 (Ref:3466773) | #264 | ||
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I have just seen this on DSC:-
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2014/1...ng-effort.html Very interesting, let see what comes off it. |
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Wow, that's a pretty big step in the right direction! Good for Perrinn!
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Well, that came out of nowhere. Good luck.
Trailer was a bit weird with Murray Walker commenting some F1 race in the background at some point |
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5000 Euros gets you a 3 lap ride along at Paul Ricard? Awesome. Now they only need a car!!
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So after seemingly a bit of good news for the LMP1 project Perrin are now looking at Formula 1 too?
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This is going in a bad direction!
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Slowly trying to find LMP1 (privateer) funding via alternative methods is one thing, but attempting to do the same for the suicidal money sinkhole that is F1... ehhhh
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I'm more of an optimist. I see Perrinn not so much as a team as a design consultancy, and if they've got the capacity to design an LMP1, then they could equally well do an F1 car.
If you think of them along the same lines as Wirth or Dome I think this starts to make more sense. |
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I agree. Nothing but options for them. Its not an lmp1 team so much as a designer.
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Now (2 weeks old news) seeking investment and the crowdfunding has been abandoned.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117021 Could be just the angle and livery (NO BASE WHITE COLOR!) but this looks awesome. Edit: found more, apparently a fan design but cleary based on the real model: http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/myl...entes-livrees/ And of course... white livery: Last edited by deggis; 18 Dec 2014 at 21:18. |
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Second one looks like a bulky Audi R18
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Rather R18 with DPG2 styling cues, uhh...
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