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4 Jan 2016, 22:34 (Ref:3602094) | #2501 | |
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Screamer in for Varsha and Bell is not an improvement - but all are far off Dorsey and Jeremy Dale anyway.
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4 Jan 2016, 22:41 (Ref:3602097) | #2502 | |
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Haven't they still had Fish or whomever doing some "presentations" or whatever for those WEC broadcasts (I think anyway)
It's probably imago thing to have your on people there In any case, they'll still need to bring their own staff for Le Mans because there's no universal comms service for that (RLM audio leasing isn't suitable as they cannot commit exclusively to FOX pacing - also it gets dryyyyy with Truswell statics) Ya he has always been solid and overseen |
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4 Jan 2016, 22:57 (Ref:3602100) | #2503 | |
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Looks like, sadly, that Speedvision 2001 will go down in history as the apex of American endurance racing viewing. Heck Speedvision back then was awesome for pretty much everything. Fortunately NBCSN and CBSSN have picked up some of the slack, but I digress...
Poor Bob, couldn't go to NBC for F1 because he was still under contract with FOX and now this happens. Can you blame him for being disengaged at times? He's calling just about everything from a studio nowadays, he's been and covered every race on site for decades. It has to be hard for him, seeing something that he really helped build up just fall apart in his face basically. It was before my time, but many people in America grew up with him and Hobbs as the voice of non-NASCAR racing, be it F1 or endurance. Before they had gotten taken down on YouTube, there were some great videos of almost the entire broadcasts of LM 98, 99, and some of 00 and 01. Those teams were loaded, and were onsite. Varsha, Creamer, Rick Benjamin handling PBP. Analysts were pretty much everyone under the sun; Sam Posey, Dorsey, Daly, Hobbs, Bell, Danny Sullivan, Allan McNish even joined the team for a bit in 01 while he was testing for Toyota F1...Great pit reporters with Fish, Dave Burns who went on to NASCAR, Till, Andrew Marriott... Fox's commitment to LM has steadily gotten less and less with regard to personnel. After 08, only the pit-reporters stayed for the rest and the others went back to Charlotte to call the race in a studio. As of last year, the play-by-play announcers don't even go to LM for raceweek like they used to. The coverage definitely has suffered as a result even though they all still do a great job IMO considering the circumstances (with the exception of Scott Pruett lol). The manufacturers should be frustrated, they need wide internet access or a steady TV broadcast. Speedvision broadcasting the full races really did make a difference. Heck I remember my dad having back surgery and while he was confined to the couch recovering caught on to the 2000 LM24...It's been a staple ever since. FOX Sports as a whole is really struggling, they've had to slash staff as they've gained more broadcast rights. ESPN is sort of undergoing the same problems now but FOX has really taken a hit. ESPN has ratings to fall back on, FS1/2 do not have the ratings nor the distribution. IMSA has been practically unwatchable for me mainly because of the product, but these broadcasting changes won't make it any easier to watch. |
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4 Jan 2016, 23:01 (Ref:3602102) | #2504 | |
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Didn't they fire Pruett for last year's race? I guess that was the one good thing, as he was almost Carlton Kirby frustrating...
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4 Jan 2016, 23:22 (Ref:3602104) | #2505 | |
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Yeah fortunately Pruett was not on the broadcast the last year or so.
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5 Jan 2016, 00:17 (Ref:3602111) | #2506 | ||
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They got rid of Varsha? **** this!
So glad they didn't cut Brian Till, I was reading through this on Racer expecting him to be cut or replaced but thankfully no. Now if they meddle with Hindy and co there's going to a lot of very angry people and not just fans either. Poor Varsha where to for him now? |
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5 Jan 2016, 00:32 (Ref:3602117) | #2507 | |
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This is what we have to look forward to on the TV side now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06n6...el=TheRaceBird |
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Never was a fan of Varsha doing IMSA. Keeping Till is a good move though. Hopefully they are trimming the production side to secure a better broadcast package, no FS2 and more consistency on where a single event will be aired (along with streaming to bolster it). L.P. |
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5 Jan 2016, 10:39 (Ref:3602198) | #2509 | |
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Varsha sounded shocked on Racer's quotes.
The IMSA Rep defence speeches are laughable. And indeed all-Charlotte penny saving after Beach They are keeping Fish though |
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5 Jan 2016, 12:24 (Ref:3602222) | #2510 | ||
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At this stage, I'm willing to bet that FS' crew will have little to do with the LM24 broadcast, and it'll be like the other WEC broadcasts with Radio Le Mans providing primary commentary and a FS commentator providing commentary bumpers going into and coming back from commercial.
I'm surprised that IMSA just didn't hand primary commentary responsibility for FS' broadcast to RLM. RLM already provide IMSA broadcast commentary on IMSA's stream and as I mentioned, the WEC broadcasts are already set up much the same way. IMO, this is just penny pinching by Fox and IMSA. And of course, I'm largely of the opinion that penny pinching isn't the way to make a good product in motorsports. |
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5 Jan 2016, 14:04 (Ref:3602235) | #2511 | |
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Varsha is still on FOX payroll, just fired from this series. And he will do Le Mans, at least he thinks he does (per his twitter) which probably confirms they still have usual full Charlotte gang for that + send their pit reporter(s) to France
Someone also asked him if he could join RLM for Daytona, and he replied "I don't see how". Hmm... they'd likely take him anyday (Hindy's a fan so he'd prob pay him himself :P) so guess Bob just isn't interested. Oh well he has been bored with this series for while after all... Btw Motors TV always had the most brilliantly lazy way to pull off rent-broadcast. They just aired the direct American TV feed with all their own comms (must be assuring for viewer to hear "Welcome to SPEED/FOX/ESPN/ABC/whatever presentation of...") and all the ad breaks (filled with silence and static cams), with nothing done to make it look like their own broadcast. Oh well, they did slap their Motors TV logo there on top of the signal broadcaster's one, but so incompetently that you could still recognize the real station from behind good times Last edited by Deleted; 5 Jan 2016 at 14:09. |
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5 Jan 2016, 14:23 (Ref:3602239) | #2513 | |
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Truswell's nerdy statistics would also bore mainstream TV audiences to tears
(yes, I know this is extremely unpopular opinion, but I really don't think that kind of trivial could pass on television, not on constant and relentless 24 hour roll anyways) |
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5 Jan 2016, 14:39 (Ref:3602242) | #2514 | ||
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They just need people who can make a FCY sound exciting - Creamer isn't bad at that, Dorsey was terrible at it so he was first to go. They need NASCAR or INDY car broadcast experience - how to call a sow's ear a silk purse with a straight face.
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5 Jan 2016, 14:56 (Ref:3602249) | #2515 | |
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Brian Till was good at coming up with random chitchat, much better than Varsha who in these circles often had less to say than his so called analysts. Even when he did came up with something it was often completely irrelevant. So I'm not sure why they're wasting Brian in the pits instead of where he belongs
But they'll prob have to throw him in there regardless for Daytona since FOX has no B-Team right now with all the layouts, you know A is Screamer+Fish, B would likely have to be Brian and, I don't know, Tommy Kendall or something. Finally they'll drag Andrew Merriot out of Bingo for another temporary pit boy assignment and call it a day, voila 5000 dollars saved for Atherton's and Bennett's lobster dinner. Last edited by Deleted; 5 Jan 2016 at 15:01. |
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Fox tried this with a few college football games this year and it was an EPIC failure! Luckily it will be on FS2 and no one will see it so it should save the sport some additional criticism.
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At least Dorsey is back.
No not on booth but in the Highway to Retirement DP. Again. What has he done for the past year? Wondering where the mustache went along the years? |
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5 Jan 2016, 15:39 (Ref:3602260) | #2518 | |
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Dorsey joined the Dark Side as PWC's new race director in August last year (or at least the announcement was made at that time, http://www.motorsport.com/pwc/news/d...race-director/ )
And I guess he consulted Nigel Mansell on how to get rid of some facial hair...! |
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5 Jan 2016, 15:45 (Ref:3602261) | #2519 | |
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But wasn't Till also race director there (IDK don't follow WC at all anymore). What's up with FOX commentators getting that gig
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5 Jan 2016, 15:48 (Ref:3602264) | #2520 | |
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Driving steward, but yes, you were close.
It's all about who you know in the racing world (and who knows you!) and as former racers both Dorsey and Till tick that box. |
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5 Jan 2016, 16:09 (Ref:3602271) | #2521 | |
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Agreed. IMSA's problems are far bigger than the line up of FOX's commentating and production team. It's a downward spiral and as it's not hard to imagine the ratings not increasing drastically with no major improvements lined up for better racing, a pull out from some manufacturers (as they no longer are willing to cough up the required marketing fees) might be next, soon to be followed by the rest of them. And then what Nascar? Selling the series as it becomes more and more a money loser? Or run it into the ground in order to make it harder (than it already is) for anyone to come up with something new....?
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5 Jan 2016, 16:37 (Ref:3602276) | #2522 | |
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As long as RLM continue to cover the international stream. Cannot stand the American style broadcasts. TBH, I think the American TV Coverage should just be the RLM stream. A lot less fluff and rubbish and a lot more racing.
"Lets cut away to tell you a story about the race you're watching, and then advertise a product on the race you're watching, and then maybe a heart warming tail about the race you're watching." Can't watch the race for all the crap in the way. |
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