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1 Bottas Mercedes 1m19.705s (US)
2 Vettel Ferrari 1m19.952s (S) 3 Ricciardo Red Bull 1m21.153s (S) 4 Palmer Renault 1m21.396s (S) 5 Hulkenberg Renault 1m21.791s (S) 6 Ericsson Sauber 1m21.824s (SS) 7 Grosjean Haas 1m22.118s (SS) 8 Hamilton Mercedes 1m22.175s (S) 9 Stroll Williams 1m22.351s (S) 10 Alonso McLaren 1m22.598s (US) 11 Sainz Toro Rosso 1m23.540s (M) 12 Celis Force India 1m23.568s (SS) 13 Kvyat Toro Rosso 1m23.952s (M) Fastest cars in the history of F1. Observers saying the Ferrari looks very much glued to the track around corners. The ugly ducting around the side pods seems effective thus far. Tomorrow, they test in the wet. |
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Seems Stroll is finding the limits the hard way. Good to see Bottas on top
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Steve, the suspension article is here: http://www.autosport.com/news/report...mid-fia-checks
Nothing definite, but like the rear wing it might be one to fix for Melbourne. |
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This article has a description of what is allowed and what is not.
Red Bull apparently illegal, Mercedes legal. http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/op...l-red-bull-not |
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As none of the teams are discussing these inspections with the media, and no-one can protest any other team's interpretation of the rules and regs during the test sessions, these are private matters and everything is based on supposition. This process is, I believe, a good idea as it will negate the possibility of protests being made once the teams get to Melbourne, at least about the suspension systems. |
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No testing for Williams today, the chassis was damaged by Stroll's crash.
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$troll = new Maldonado??
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What a joke this has turned out to be.
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When are they going to outlaw all these systems that mimic traction control?
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Anyone else worried that in certain lights the new McLaren livery looks a bit like a Manor. I wonder if they will occupy a similar position on the grid?
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Hamilton said yesterday that he didn't want to take part in the artificial wet running today, and that he may "have a bad back" and be unable to drive. Well. isn't it fortuitous that the car miraculously developed an electrical fault that meant that he couldn't go out, but that, also miraculously, the car was ready to go out on track just when Bottas arrived in the garage to ready himself for the afternoon running, and the car took to the track with Bottas driving for the last few moments of the session!
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Judging by testing so far (always risky) then yes - the McLaren is looking like it could well be the slowest car out there.
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Ferrari and Mercedes look like the team to beat so far, but I wish they would get rid of those pug ugly winglets on the side of the Ferrari. I'll probably have to watch it with Standard Definition if every team decides to go with that
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Well the day was mainly for Pirellis benefit - hard to test the wets if the track isn't wet. Apparently it's confirmed what Pirelli thought - the wets are hard to 'switch on' so they need to do some work on them.
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But why not make that part of Pirelli's tyre testing program (Vettel's earlier tests) rather than the broader team testing? The teams clearly are not interested. I guess Pirelli thought they needed 2017 spec tyres to check for safety, performance, etc.
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Because Pirelli don't have a car to run the tyres on - the previous tests have been with hybrid test mules that aren't representative of the cars the tyres will be run on so the results of those tests aren't entirely useful. Also they rely on the teams to provide cars/drivers/engineers for no benefit to themselves (again because they're not running a current car the data is no use to them). Running tyre tests at the offical test sessions is the only hope they have of getting any meaningful data.
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Firstly, the FIA wants to curtail the amount of testing time, because testing costs a lot of money. But Pirelli can, in reality, only properly test their tyres in real life situations, so they need to have the testing conducted using the current cars, not the older versions mechanically modified to try to emulate what the teams believe the later versions will be like. However, the FIA won't permit that, so Pirelli are always on the back foot because, until the cars drive out of the pit garages on the first day of the first test session, they have no accurate data on how the tyres are really going to perform. And no amount of simulation time will ever replicate data produced on the track. The other side of the story is about the teams. At least 3 of the teams proposed that at least one of the 4 day tests should be held at one of the Middle East circuits (can't remember which one it was at the mo) so that a) Pirelli and the teams would be able to get reliable data from running on a warmer track surface, and b) the circuit had a track sprinkler system that meant that Pirelli could get meaningful feedback on wet weather running, rather that what they have achieved in Barcelona. However, the majority of the teams voted against going to the UAE circuit because of cost, so they said. But what the FIA could have proposed is that all the teams decamped to Paul Ricard at the end of the Barcelona tests, and mandated that all teams participated in a wet test session there, as they also have a sprinkler system. And it's poor administration to be running a multi-million pound/dollar/euro operation on such a spare parts shoe-string, in my humble opinion. It cost the teams a fortune to have all those expensive engineers and drivers sitting around twiddling their thumbs while they are waiting for a plane/van to arrive from the factory with a replacement grommet or, in the case of the Williams, a new monocoque. |
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granted they dont have actual data of how the tires will perform on a 2017 F1 car (because they are just now seeing them in action for the first time) they do have real life data accumulated from 10-13 teams running 2 cars each at 20odd races a season over the last 6 years upon which to base their future compounds on. granted not many of those races were in the rain but my point is that they do have a lot of real life data to work with.
im not discounting Pirelli's need to have better or more timely access to current year cars...rather i am just curious how much more on track data does Pirelli actually need? does the F1 development cycle need to change...should teams be looking at unveiling their next years car by the summer/fall of the preceding season in order to get these things right? should the first race be pushed back in order to allow Pirelli enough lead time to integrate the data from the winter tests into the manufacturing of the tires they supply for that first race? Last edited by chillibowl; 2 Mar 2017 at 20:12. |
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chillibowl, it's easy to think that Pirelli will have the data, but in reality they are starting with a blank canvas this year. Downforce has been increased, tyres are considerably wider and the contact patch is correspondingly greater. In addition, they have been mandated to make the tyres behave in a different way from the past. And they let the world know last year during the testing conducted with the three teams that the amount of downforce that the mule cars were producing as great as they expected this year's cars to produce.
Again, with the wet tyres, they were instructed to make them behave differently, and their only chance to really do any serious testing was thwarted when Vettel crashed on an installation lap, and the test was aborted. The major problem is that, even disregarding a complete overhaul of the rules for the cars such as this year, the cars are constantly evolving throughout the cycle of stable rules. As such, in my opinion, any tyre manufacturer is going to be constantly playing catch-up with the teams, and until each race - let alone the start of a new season - the tyre supplier isn't really going to know how their product is going to behave. They will have a fair idea, but so many different conditions will influence what happens on the day - air temp, track temp, wet, moist, humid, dry, and so on. And that's before we even consider how each team run their cars, what toe in, what camber, what starting temp, what amount of heat that they can generate when in racing conditions, etc. |
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All the teams are there, they wet the track and give them tyres. It's not a big ask for them all to put in an hours running.
Any team that does bother shouldn't be allowed to run in the wet during the season. |
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A completely simple and sensible solution to the problem, and therefore two exact reasons why this approach will not be taken...
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I agree Adam. Especially since the loads are going to be much larger on these tyres this year. It becomes a safety issue. I don't want to hear Vettel or anyone else whining about blown tyres this year.
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