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Hypothetically if Supercars were to acquire AGT could that open the route to SuperGT specfications?
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Out of curiosity, what would buying AGT actually cost in $$?
The regulations are FIA regs, the title is a CAMS title, and doesn't having the category management rights to the "Australian GT Championship" mainly entail you forking out fee's to CAMS for the right to hold the category management rights? Would the seller just be looking to get back their fee to CAMS? Quote:
The outright SuperGT class is aligning it's regulations with the DTM. The secondary GT300 class already includes GT3 cars anyway. |
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We're looking at cutting costs here for Gen2, going down the Class One rules route is going the opposite direction. Ah the Germans and the Japanese will never merge and that's good because Super GT is fine by itself without ITR getting involved and forcing its self interests on GTA. |
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Both the DTM and SuperGT cars are squillion dollar cars supported by the largesse of heir home markets, neither of these rulesets could sensibly run here, IMO.
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You'd bring most teams to their knees if a DTM/SGT car was trashed the way some Supercars have been in the recent past.
And some people think the outright costs of a CotF chassis are eye-watering... |
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So your saying that financially it wouldn't be viable to run a SuperGT/DTM spec based series here then?
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There aren't really any non-manufacturer backed teams in DTM or SuperGT, whereas that has always been a priority in Australian racing. |
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It would absolutely not be sustainable at all. We tried the abovementioned Super Touring here, and it didn't work. Even the 3 factory teams were scraping through, recycling parts, stretching the life out of everything. Not to mention that at the time, the new car market was dominated by Commodore and Falcon. The only people that followed it were those who were BTCC fans, and disillusioned Group A followers. |
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The European mentality to touring car racing has always been the opposite though, with little emphasis on the privateers (though that has changed in the BTCC over the last 10 or so years at least) Quote:
TOCA Australia gave it a good go, it just didn't work out. |
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Well, as you are a person who does not recognise the supercars bathurst 1000 as a continuation of the traditional Bathurst 1000.
Then super tourers killed the bathurst 1000 in just two years. that's a pretty massive failure I would think, with the short time frame i would even call that an abrupt failure |
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Despite excellent racing at both 1000 a definite failure. We wouldn't see such failures repeated in Australian motorsport until the debacles of China, Bahrain, Texas and Abu Dhabi. All pretty massive failures. |
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But an abrupt failure can't take 9 years
The topic was the series...not an individual race |
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They ran with Power Tour in 2002, and then with the Touring Car Challange for a few seasons a couple of years later.
I think there's only like 4 cars capable of turning a wheel at the moment. What else is still in the country have been mothballed for a long time. |
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Do you blame Super Touring for killing Amaroo Park then as well? They raced there in 1996 and 1997, and the track closed in 1998.... Super Touring ran in Australia for 9 years, longer than the same regs lasted in Germany, Italy, Japan, South Africa, Spain etc... only the BTCC lasted longer. A pretty good effort by the Australian Super Touring fraternity I would think. It wasn't as big and didn't overthrow the ATCC or the V8 formula, but that doesn't make it a failure, it just ran it's course, like the formula everywhere else in the world. It was good to have more National level race meetings to go to though. In the mid-90s you could attend the ATCC/V8 meetings, Super Touring Championship meetings, SuperTruck Nationals, NASCAR/AUSCAR meetings, even the likes of Sports Sedans occasionally headlined their own championship events. Nowadays our choices are just Supercars events or the Shannons Nationals. |
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Then the line of thinking you mentioned is irrelevant ST1000 had the tradition , the weekend, the media , the sponsor, the drivers, the promoter. they were against a start up event. sSpertourers killed it in 2 years (well technically 364 days). Abrupt failure. there is no other description with that base assumption. Of course if you change the base assumption then its not true |
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