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So again, Red Bull have an engine that isn't good enough, so they're going to swap it for an exploding toaster?
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At the moment they supply a team and fund a driver. Do they want more? Do they only want to provide engines, or do they want a team? Was the McLaren deal a route for them to bring future drivers into F1? Have they given up trying to compete under current regs, but want a stake in controlling the next ones? |
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1. Stay in F1 2. Success with the engine 3. Full return as team owner. With each stage contingent upon the success of the previous. I wouldn't put them buying into a partial stake in TR being out of the question, but I would be shocked if they were to fully take over the team at this point. I have no clue if Honda wants to push specific drivers or not. Richard |
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so i thought a decision was imminent...or did Honda miss this deal line too?
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He is not gaining a massive amount of points (or even results) over his relatively inexperience teammate. And he has also been critical of Honda on many an occasion. So what does Alonso provide for Honda at the moment? |
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With Red Bull's engine contract running out at the end of 2018, they might be willing to give Honda just over a season to come good? They would be in prime position for 2019 to take the better of the two engines at that stage.
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And they don't have anything to lose either. Similar to how they use(d) Torro Rosso to train/evaluate drivers for the main Red Bull team, they can use it as a training/proving ground for the engine. And in contradiction to McLaren, winning race or even getting podiums is not why Torro Rosso exists. They can afford a rather bad year, if Honda fails to improve. |
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If RBR were to switch to Honda power in 2019, it would probably only be for two years (2019 and 2020). So not a long association to build a winning "works" team and take on Mercedes and Ferrari.
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Quite frankly Honda have thrown away all the progress they were making last season. I wouldn't be surprised if they are not on the 2018 grid
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The cultural effect of "losing face" by giving up on a failed attempt may be too much and "force" the senior management to continue at what is hard to believe isn't already a massive financial loss. |
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What they should of done is to buy (with McLaren) Manor GP and used this as basically an ongoing test and development programme, this would have given them more than twice the data and experience, as they could sacrifice results and as along as the cars were relatively competitive, used them as test mules. |
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Firstly, Honda actually financed Brawn during the early days, to the tune of several, possibly hundreds of, millions. And secondly, although Mugen was a totally autonomous business, it was started by a member of the Honda family. Just looked it up to refresh my memory; it was actually the son of the founder of Honda that formed Mugen. |
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I like the idea of Honda buying out Manor to help development. Would have been less embarrassing
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Predictions on Scuderia Toro Rosso Honda's Constructors Championship position in season 2018?
Mr Kvyat and Mr Matsushita as likely pilots. 10th.. |
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seems like everybody is winning with this deal, str, rbr, honda, sainz, gasly ...everbody but alonso (but thats normal)
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Torro Rosso Honda is a done deal as McLaren take over a Renault supply. Are we going to see STR prop up the bottom of the grid or will Honda sort their motors and produce a Mercedes beater for next season?
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