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Inherently unless you're totally FUBAR like the Riley, a single upgrade to a homologated car is going to favour the constructors that are behind catching up because they have clear areas for improvement compared to the leader and more economic impetus to act on it (you don't have unlimited R&D budget for a cost capped customer program, remember). Especially considering the ORECA is already a very heavily developed car, this being the third iteration and fourth year for that base car. |
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I counter with saying that it stills favors the team that started ahead because they only have one season (in this case, '18) before they can integrate whatever evolutions their rivals have created (as applicable to them) and then get back out front with all the constructors' jokers used.
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You don't need a time machine to look at testing times. The Oreca was consistently the fastest during testing. It also was the only car you could upgrade from the previous generation. It wasn't a secret that the Oreca was faster than every other car.
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So you're going to get all of your customers (including people who are paying a lot of money to race and drive fast) to slow down, and by the same amount? And convince the ACO to ignore the times when you weren't sand bagging, and only count these times, which are slower than the old? I think they'll see through that.
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The Dallara sprint package was allowed an upgrade because the parts causing the stability issues were shared between the kits, and they could not solve the issue by changing one kit. I know this isn't a popular decision, but the ACO does hold all the cards. They can be a terrible organisers, but it's their game and their rules to apply how they want. So trying to manipulate it like that doesn't really work. |
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History shows that you can bend the rules into a pretzel until the ACO sees your way. Now, if no one minds, I'm going to go pack a suitcase into my fuel tank.
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I hear you and I agree, but I suppose the matter of how much the ACO cares is the relevant one. They have an incredibly love-hate relationship lately.
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Even if such an effort could trick the ACO, it would only take ONE team deciding not to go along with it to kill the effort. |
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How so? This is a thread on IMSA's DPI. The current subject is how the 'Joker' effects them, as well as their P class brethren P-2s, in IMSA's IWSC P class. L.P. |
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That's what I'm getting at, as far as allowing the jokers are concerned. |
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Anyway sell chassis and spare parts to private teams is the main business for companies like oreca and onroak. GM uses racing to promote their brands. That's why to me will be very tricky for other teams to put their hands on a cadillac dpi..... even for SoD. |
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As for the number of Cadillacs, I was referring specifically to cars on track, as that's where everything matters on the issue that was being referred to. I am well aware of the existence of the spare cars, but they were irrelevant to the point. |
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But this allows to present this point: Is it better to have a naturally better car or is it more important to be the best team using a specific car?
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