BTCC 2019 season discussion, News and Rumours! - Page 48

crmalcolm · 8 Nov 2018, 09:15 (Ref:3861767)

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Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

I believe the original intention of a minimum 4.4m length was to have more saloon type cars racing under NGTC. But with the interest of Honda to run the British made Civic hatchbacks and so on, that seems to have gone out the window.

The original NGTC Build Guide that accompanied the launch of the regulations (from when the Toyota was demo'd) said this:

A Constructor may make application to the Administrator to Homologate a car, solely for use within the BTCC subject to:
 It being from a model with a production minima of 2,500 cars
 It being from a family with a production minima of 15,000 cars
 The engine has a production minima of 2,500 from the manufacturers family of marques.
 The production minima of the engine, the model and the family must normally have been achieved prior to the final race of the Championship in its first full season or the homologation may be invalidated.
 The family and model being freely on sale in the UK through the manufacturers normal dealer network.
The Administrator may consider applications for cars very close to, but below, the nominal minimum length of 4.4m

If someone was to homologate a Mini today, they would be looking at the following lengths (trim-dependent):

Convertible 3.874m
Hatchback 4.005m
Countryman 4.109m
Clubman 4.253m
Countryman SUV 4.299m

so perhaps a Mini might be the first SUV on the grid?

S700UBO · 8 Nov 2018, 10:02 (Ref:3861775)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

Volkswagen CC - Team HARD - Mike BUSHELL
Volkswagen CC - Team HARD - Bobby Thompson
Volkswagen CC - Team HARD - Carl Boardley
Volkswagen CC - Team HARD - ??????

Honda Civic - Team Dynamics - Matt Neal ??
Honda Civic - Team Dynamics - ????

Honda Civic - BTC Norlin - ????
Honda Civic - BTC Norlin - ????

Honda Civic - Simpson Racing - Matt Simpson

Honda Civic - AMD - ????????
Honda Civic - AMD - ????????

MG - Excelr8 Motorsport - ???
MG - Excelr8 Motorsport - ???

Vauxhall Astra - PMR - ?????
Vauxhall Astra - PMR - ?????

BMW 125 - WSR - ??????
BMW 125 - WSR - ??????
BMW 125 - WSR - ??????

Ford Focus - Motorbase - Tom Chilton ??
Ford Focus - Motorbase - ?????
Ford Focus - Motorbase - ?????

Toyota Avensis - Speedworks - Tom Ingram ????

Audi S3 - Trade Price Cars Racing - ???????
Audi S3 - Trade Price Cars Racing - ???????

Alfa RomeO Giulietta - HMS - Rob Austin ????

Mercedes A - Ciceley - Adam Morgan ??
Mercedes A - Ciceley - ?????

Mercedes A - Laser Tools - Aidan Moffat ????

Also am i missing something with only 28cars listed?

Robin Marriott · 8 Nov 2018, 10:23 (Ref:3861776)

The Jelley/Parker BMW isn’t on the list, neither are the 3 Subarus, that’s the missing 4...

Sodemo · 8 Nov 2018, 10:26 (Ref:3861778)

I think the road saloons produced now are just too big (in general). This obviously has a knock on effect to what the BTCC can run. One recent exception is the A3 saloon which I think is a fantastically proportioned road car, which makes a nice looking race car too. It’s a shame that all the drive for the road car industry now is towards MVPs and people movers. I personally think that the BTCC should allow 2 door coupes.

porsche962fan · 8 Nov 2018, 10:28 (Ref:3861779)

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Originally Posted by Robin Marriott

The Jelley/Parker BMW isn’t on the list, neither are the 3 Subarus, that’s the missing 4...

BMR have this financial issues rumors and Team Parker I am not sure if they will be back given their very poor season

the list is it's very early stages still

jsmee · 8 Nov 2018, 10:38 (Ref:3861781)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

BMR have this financial issues rumors and Team Parker I am not sure if they will be back given their very poor season

the list is it's very early stages still

List should really just be heavily rumoured or confirmed teams/drivers only. That list could be completely wrong!

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porsche962fan · 8 Nov 2018, 10:49 (Ref:3861783)

that's why the question marks for the non confimed but heavely rumored entries

at this point we do have many teams and cars confimed but no drivers

Robin Marriott · 8 Nov 2018, 11:14 (Ref:3861786)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

BMR have this financial issues rumors and Team Parker I am not sure if they will be back given their very poor season

the list is it's very early stages still

Oh yeah, I agree. I’m not suggesting BMR will be back just saying who we THINK is missing from the list going on what was there last year.

I don’t think we’ll see 32 cars on the grid this year, I think we’ll be lucky to see 30.

crmalcolm · 8 Nov 2018, 12:54 (Ref:3861795)

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Originally Posted by S700UBO

Also am i missing something with only 28cars listed?

Not unless you know how big the grid will be for 2019, and what the other cars will be.

I guess there could be 4 lines of ??????s

Or could it be a step towards Alan Gow's target of a 26-car grid?

Ant25 · 8 Nov 2018, 15:56 (Ref:3861822)

Where do you think Jordan will end up... his two year deal with bmw ended not long ago... I think he will be in a Honda again!

V8 Fireworks · 8 Nov 2018, 16:01 (Ref:3861823)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

I personally think that the BTCC should allow 2 door coupes.

Toyota 86 qualifies for Super 2000 touring cars... It would be an interesting choice for BTCC.

Racer65 · 8 Nov 2018, 17:14 (Ref:3861836)

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Originally Posted by Ant25

Where do you think Jordan will end up... his two year deal with bmw ended not long ago... I think he will be in a Honda again!

What deal with BMW? He didn't have one with them as far as I know.

touring fan01 · 8 Nov 2018, 17:34 (Ref:3861843)

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Originally Posted by Racer65

What deal with BMW? He didn't have one with them as far as I know.

of course he has. he's one of the three manufacturer backed bmw entries.
even bmw's own website refers to his car as 'BMW Pirtek Racing'.

https://www.bmw.co.uk/discover-bmw/b...mpionship#gref

Alfisti · 8 Nov 2018, 18:14 (Ref:3861848)

Just had a proper read on BMR at Companies House.

The strike off is temporarily suspended, not discontinued this time. So there is a small timeframe to comply otherwise the suspension will be lifted.

The accounts to December 2016 have been submitted. They're grim is my assessment. No assets to speak of and a lot of money owed down the line.

One assumes (possibly wrongly) that things didn't improve in 2017 or indeed 2018. Assumption is of course dangerous, but as no significant new sponsorship appeared on the cars and number of cars being run reduced and Mountune allegedly didn't receive monies owed in a timely and agreed manner I think it is a reasonable assumption things haven't improved.

That Ash isn't running around in the Subaru road car might suggest the Subaru backing has ended after it's three years and isn't being extended. Or maybe it's broke and he's in a rent a car... Subaru road cars have excellent reliability records though!

porsche962fan · 8 Nov 2018, 18:44 (Ref:3861852)

regarding the Plato back in FWD thing mentioned by Harvey

my 2 bets are

- PMR
- 2nd Speedworks Toyota

and outcide chance in a private Civic

**BertMk2** · 8 Nov 2018, 20:18 (Ref:3861861)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

regarding the Plato back in FWD thing mentioned by Harvey

my 2 bets are

- PMR
- 2nd Speedworks Toyota

and outcide chance in a private Civic

PMR must be the more likely of those surely? I can't see him wanting to be number 2 behind Ingram at Speedworks - he's not exactly "Mr Team Player" is he?

Racer65 · 8 Nov 2018, 20:49 (Ref:3861871)

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Originally Posted by touring fan01

of course he has. he's one of the three manufacturer backed bmw entries.
even bmw's own website refers to his car as 'BMW Pirtek Racing'.

Yes but that doesn't mean he is employed directly via BMW to the exclusion of any other scenario which was what I was getting at. I don't think of the drivers as BMW drivers rather than WSR drivers.

sceptic · 8 Nov 2018, 21:15 (Ref:3861873)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

That Ash isn't running around in the Subaru road car might suggest the Subaru backing has ended after it's three years and isn't being extended. Or maybe it's broke and he's in a rent a car... Subaru road cars have excellent reliability records though!

Or maybe it's that he was doing a job where he was standing in for Andrew Jordan.

Petoli · 8 Nov 2018, 21:26 (Ref:3861874)

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Originally Posted by sceptic

Or maybe it's that he was doing a job where he was standing in for Andrew Jordan.

Or maybe he just wanted a BMW

S griffin · 8 Nov 2018, 21:27 (Ref:3861875)

I wish more teams would give us hints on what they are planning for next season

Alfisti · 8 Nov 2018, 22:06 (Ref:3861879)

How about a Jason Plato in a Toyota Prius rumour?

Or forget Plato but think Prius. It's a super slippery low drag shape. It's OK size wise. Bang the TOCA lump in, Bob's your Aunty, will be fast on the straight bits.

Just another crack pot idea from a diseased mind!

BLiTZ · 9 Nov 2018, 07:16 (Ref:3861922)

What about Plato in the ex-Parker BMW?

Alfisti · 9 Nov 2018, 07:41 (Ref:3861926)

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Originally Posted by BLiTZ

What about Plato in the ex-Parker BMW?

The BMW is one, if not the, best car in BTCC. Even with TOCA nobbling it. Goes against the popular FWD rumour, but JP was awfully convinced RWD is the way to be. Maybe RWD is his future, but in the proven BMW?

VIVA GT · 9 Nov 2018, 07:55 (Ref:3861928)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

The BMW is one, if not the, best car in BTCC. Even with TOCA nobbling it. Goes against the popular FWD rumour, but JP was awfully convinced RWD is the way to be. Maybe RWD is his future, but in the proven BMW?

If that's the case then next year will be his last chance, as the next BMW 1 Series will be front wheel drive.

S griffin · 9 Nov 2018, 08:24 (Ref:3861931)

Plato in a BMW would be very interesting and I wouldn't completely rule it out

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