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yeah, good point. that desire for ferrari would have put him on the market around the time schumacher went there, and i can’t imagine either of them being happy about having the other as a teammate...
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Well would Schumi’s stock have been as high had Senna beaten him to the title in 94 and 95?
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Senna would not have won '94. Too much ground to make up. By mid season Schuey's points advantage would be more than the 20 pts difference it was after the first 3 rounds!
However by 2/3 season FW16 would have at least given Senna the chance to win regularly albeit with Schu in 2nd or 3rd... 95,96,97 Williams were a cut above though... I think he would have retired end of '97. |
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Im not so sure.... bear in mind after Monaco Schu had a 33 point buffer over Hill, after France a 37 point buffer..... and Schumacher only won the title (by one point) by virtue of his famous Adelaide chop.
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I reckon once Senna had sorted out that Williams, Schumi would have had a fight on his hands
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Yes but Schu missed 2 races (and I think DQ from another?) which helped Hill enormously.
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Well we’ll never know shall we? Maybe Schumi wouldn’t have given them an excuse to dq him at Silverstone by not passing Senna on the parade lap and not get the subsequent two race suspension, although he might still have been dqed at Spa, as that was a clear rule.
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It's all obviously ifs and buts and we'll never know the answer, but it's an interesting thought experiment. I personally think Senna would've taken the title after the TC was found earlier after more verbal protests from Senna. |
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Senna always suspected Benetton were cheating. So he probably would alerted the FIA earlier
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Here's another one.
What would have happened had Warwick' 1984 Renault been as competitive as Prost's 82 and 83 ones? My memory tells me that the 84 car was arguably 2nd best to Mclaren in terms of performance early in '84 but then fell away badly as the season wore on. |
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Well one reason he turned down Williams for 85 was because he felt the Renault just needed to sort out it's reliability as he had come close to winning one or two in 84. Remember he almost won first time out in Brazil. Meanwhile the Williams-Honda was terrible and only won in Dallas because the handling disadvantage was negated there, as was the fact Rosberg was driving it. Hindsight is a wonderful thing though
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Yes FW09 was a bit of a carthorse if i remember?
Some of those '84 and '85 races were crazy with unreliability or cars running out of fuel! I often wonder how the front of the field might have looked in 1985 or '86 had some drivers either not been killed or badly injured earlier in the decade and I don't just mean drivers already in F1. |
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Certainly the grid wasn't restricted in terms of numbers then, although there were a few teams that didn't even make it onto the grid
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How great would it have been to have Senna, Prost, Bellof, Villeneuve, Thackwell, Pryce, Brise, Piquet, Mansell etc all competing!!
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We shall never know shall we? Would some drivers have been as successful with so many great drivers on the grid?
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Also, had the ones lost not needed to be replaced we would have no doubt not even seen some drivers that came to the grid as a result, directly or indirectly.
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you don’t need to say that (for about the third time), the exact premise of this thread is wondering what might have happened.
i mean, the modern equivalent of having those guys missing would be being without 2/3 of the people touted as serious talents on today’s grid. as it is we’re only down one in bianchi. it’d be like not having hulkenberg, ocon, hamilton... |
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I suspect that Hamilton would have got there, bearing in mind the influence he had behind him....
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