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2 christ how long we talking?... most things happen in seconds for karting... was it slow that long? how long? before I state which flag I would want shown Real time is a big factor in any circumstance... what you say on paper actually means very little in reasl time I believe. |
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Thanks for the answers.
The reason I asked is that we had a conversation after the race and none of us was totally sure what he should have done. We'll be aware in future. It's not that common an occurrence but I've seen it a couple of times, once it was Mini MM who cut the corner and was overtaken, but as he re-entered the track backwards I would say that was legitimate Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk |
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Out of interest, this is an extract from an email sent today to all competitors in their Silverstone Classic races from Masters....
"So, it’s one week after the Silverstone Classic and I have reviewed many videos from the organisers or in-car footage that I have been sent by many drivers. By in large, the driving wasn’t too bad considering the size of the grids. Especially in the Mini race considering it was such an evenly matched field – it was inevitably going to lead to intense and close racing. However, there were some exceptions where the driving standard fell short of an acceptable level and, as such, two drivers have had their Zandvoort and Spa entries returned to them and stood down for the rest of the season and I am also writing to several others. Some drivers have suggested having a Goodwood type approach of ‘naming and shaming’ but its not something I want to get into yet! One of the big differences between Goodwood and Masters, in case anyone hadn’t noticed, is that Goodwood is a free invitation but you pay an entry fee to race at Masters hence a slightly different approach." I know it's not unique, but good to know that attention is being paid to driving standards by a major organiser…... |
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Yes, I received that too. Not sure what you thought but I didn't experience any issues with other drivers in the Gent Drivers race.
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You certainly had a wiggle on when I made you take the wrong line for Vale.
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I thought it very well written . Diving standards were fine .
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Anyone else see the Three into Eau Rouge clip from Brit Gts?
Worth a watch, Bentley, Ferrari and a Mercedes all want the same corner. Bentley holds his nerve and line perfectly, not once going over or touching the kerbing either side. Merc and Ferrari both got their deserved comeuppance with a five second penalty. So, no, you really don't need to use the kerbing either going in, through or out of LeRadillon. A lesson there for so many drivers in that clip. |
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A link would be good, so we can see for ourselves......
And are we talking of penalties for exceeding track limits going through Eau Rouge, or on the way up Raidillon? |
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As for the penalties applied, take your pick. Most favour the bottom left kerb because of a certain uncertainty of using the correct line(most clients show and admit this) That then gives an early clip point on the right kerb, which of course, is not the place you need the car. Penalty wise RE Merc and Ferrari, watch the clip and decide for yourself😁 |
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I can't find it on the Tube of You. Try this
https://www.sportvideos.tv/today-the...ugh-eau-rouge/ Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk |
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The Merc was on the wrong line and had no option but to cut across the Bentley and run wide. The Ferrari was forced off because the Bentley was in the middle of the track and thus was equally bereft of options. It is also noticeable that they were all holding each other up, but none of them made contact. I recall watching it live then the re runs. Good driving from all I think. The penalties may not have been deserved IMO, but them's the rules. |
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The red car is the 720s Mclaren GT3.
Yes great to see that though.Definely made me get of the seat for a bit when watching. |
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For the recent 24hr race at Spa the competitors were specifically advised that they would NOT be penalised for exceeding track limits at the point shown in the video!
I guess F1 may have done the same in the past, and we’ll find out soon if same this year.... |
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I would imagine that 3 cars racing, at whatever speed they are doing through there, in such close proximity must induce some interesting aero compromises. Or do those big wings, etc., to nothing? The TSL Timing results don't mention any penalties. https://www.tsl-timing.com/event/192905/session/rc1bgt |
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Rick Parfitt Jr definitely received two penalties but I don't recall why. He accepted them with good grace. I suspect that since they are timing penalties they perhaps won't show up on the TSL reports.
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They do usually report them - HSCC for example. If the published results include a single 5sec penalty for each of the cars suggested above then the penalties seem to have made no difference to the result. From the Lap chart the action must have been on lap 48 of 49. If so no signs of any penalties on that lap or 49 - although the McLaren was about 5 secs slower on the last lap but could have been traffic or simply backing off since it was a slightly slower lap than the Bentley anyway. Were the penalties applied much later and so not reported in the timing for the day? |
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In truth I don't recall any penalties for that incident I was just assuming the OP was correct. Which is why I thought penalties would be unfair under the circs.
Definitely the Parfitt Bentley got two penalties, which on reflection may have been for contact. But that wasn't the Bentley in the clip. |
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That seems to have added not more that 10 seconds to the laps that they were doing a the time. Could they be drive throughs? ETA. My mistake - read the wrong lines. Added about 35 - 40 seconds each across 2 timed laps. Last edited by grantp; 14 Aug 2019 at 12:00. |
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Yes that would be it.
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