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Another bad race for Ferrari they have got to do something or they will be classed as midfield and not even the best of the midfield
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I think they're firmly ensconced in the midfield and Racing Point has their measure and McLaren on race pace. Even Renault seems like they can challenge when they don't break.
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Ferrari are in the docks, while Racing Point have become a top team. It won’t last forever with Ferrari, but it is weird seeing them amongst the midfield teams. Heads will roll if they don’t get anywhere
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What else do you expect when most of their (positive in lap time) developments are deemed illegal yet everything Merc does is acceptable ? Like the latest DAS thing ... it is even outlawed for 2021 , but yet they are allowed to gain an advantage for the entire 2020 ? some things in F1 just don't make sense. Still love watching and following it though ....
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Perhaps Merc are just more careful that what they do can't be determined to be illegal......
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It's just a guess from observed situations, but it seems that Merc are open with the FIA about any proposed 'exploitation', and work with the authorities to reach an acceptable solution. Other teams (such as Ferrari) seem to develop their 'exploits' in isolation, and attempt to use them without the knowledge of the authorities. When they are discovered, then they have to undo their work. If they had been open from the outset, maybe a 75-80% solution might be agreed upon, and they would be able to implement the change. Some of this - I think - may be entrenched in the Italian mindset, where there is a natural distrust of authority? |
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Once again, Vettel calling the shots from the car. Same as it's been for years - Ferrari can't make the calls and the drivers have to guide the pit wall.
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Ferrari can't decide amongst themselves what to do, that's the problem. They need better strategists in the team, they are needing the drivers more than ever to tell them what's going on, rather than working out for themselves on the pit wall
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Italian politics/identity is often cited as a fault but i never understood if this had more to do with just how various countries and/or its citizens view one another...after all Ferrari have been very successful over the years (arguably the most successful team ever), is currently one of the strongest brands in the world, and surely if its a measurement of dysfunctional teams then F1 has had a lot of those.
for sure though, across nations there are differences in managements styles and organizational structures but given Ferrari's history overall, shouldn't this indicate that their approach has worked more often then it has not? |
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Ferrari did bloom for a bit in the 80s, but they didn't make the most of their chances, either through missing out on top drivers or their car being outrun by others. And we have had many changes of management through the years. Obviously Todt did enough to help them and Brawn learned a lot there.
Ferrari did well to win in 07, helped as you say by McLaren throwing away their chances, but they didn't quite get to those heights in 08 with their car. We'll see now what the future holds for Ferrari, who will be next in line to do the job |
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Luca was great while he lasted and he did well to get Todt and Brawn on board, they were very valuable to the team, but if it failed, it wouldn’t have looked good. The problem is when you’re running the racing team of a major manufacturer, you always answering to up above
For me Binotto seems alright, but he will not bring success to the Scuderia IMHO. He’ll be lucky to last another season. It does get confusing all these team managers and presidents, some are more powerful than others, others just sit back and let the racing people do the work. I doubt Schumi though would run the team. Maybe they could get an ex F1 driver as an advisor, maybe even one who is still racing somewhere. For me though, I doubt Schumi would have come back to the Prancing Horse, that was over for him |
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?not really certain he is in a fit state top do much at the moment THB
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If you go back to watch the races when Schumi was still with Benetton - ignoring the "bad ones" when colliding with Hill and Villeneuve that until today is remembered ! you will see what driving skill and passion is all about . And that car appeared difficult to drive , as were all cars of that era.
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Ferrari have renounced a restructuring of their technical department.
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Panic setting in already, not a happy place to be this season i suspect
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Announced, renounced, either way it's an interesting development, in the current Ferrari saga.
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