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20 Oct 2020, 19:11 (Ref:4011694) | #476 | ||
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And absolutely COMICAL you say Supercars "gave up" in the 12 hour after ARG gave up on a whole season. International borders are closed and there will be no competitors able to come. AGT seems to be a bit of a, rabble, and I think many of the typical AGT stalwarts have a lot on their plate. The Europeans have their own problems too. Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk |
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never worked out why people who cant stand supercars would spend all day wanting them to change. Go watch TCR, Improved Production, GT or any other class that satisfies your needs.
Honestly I think the issue is people like 2 litre touring car star have complained for so long, they forgot how to support a class like TCR when it comes along. |
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21 Oct 2020, 10:48 (Ref:4011784) | #480 | ||
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The underlying issuse is that supercar has ATCC status (and Bathurst 1000) but is a less and less relevant class surviving only on being the establishment. If it didn't have atcc status, it can go on and on as long as it can. |
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If that is the case - how many winners are referred to as the Australian Touring Car Champion, as opposed to the Supercars Champion? The series website makes no reference to the ATCC, and Scott McLaughlin only refers to himself as winning the 'Supercars Championship'. |
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Let me make this clear: 1. You can have whatever opinion about motorsport you like. 2. It is how you have been expressing it that is the problem. If you are going to discuss on this forum you have to accept others may have a different opinion to you. This applies across the whole forum. Please read the FAQ as you have been invited to do on several occasions. You’d think you’d realize that as someone who isn’t an Aussie I don’t have an axe to grind with any series there. In fact, you’d think, I’d be more aligned to 2l stuff! Quite frankly, the bickering here turns me off the whole thing. But I know that deep down there is great motorsport and certainly a great circuit at the top of it all. And finally to summarize again. It is not what the opinion is, it is how it is expressed. I suggest that you take this on board rather than try to fight against it. Keep these threads to motorsport. A further reply here will be considered not taking it on board. Of course, feel free to contact the forum admin or another moderator. |
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21 Oct 2020, 19:48 (Ref:4011863) | #485 | ||
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They trade off the history of the ATCC yet don’t want to actively market the name that supposedly means so much |
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21 Oct 2020, 22:14 (Ref:4011889) | #486 | ||
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Why do you think they never look at adopting proven (sometimes international) regulations? It has to be their regs with their self interest satisfied. |
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22 Oct 2020, 00:54 (Ref:4011899) | #487 | |
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so people are complaining because they have rights to the ATCC awarding. Lol that is like the most minor issue in the sport.
Give TCR the ATCC title, will it change anything? TCR couldn't even run a single race this year, they have a long way to go before they even remotely challenge supercars. Supercars wont disappear, they have their new regulations. They have a new championship sponsor paying actual money. Full list of teams with a variety of owners. New TV broadcast deal. Calendar for 2021 is out already. What does TCR have for next season? |
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And why is that wrong? We live thousands and thousands of KM away from either europe or the USA. Japan has its own series in both touring cars and formula cars. So does Argentina, Brazil etc. USA has Transam and Nascar. What regulations would you propose that would remotely interest supercar fans? TCR, nope no way grocery cars. GT3, nope to expensive to race all season. NASCAR? Hell maybe it would work now they are being engineered more road going. |
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Manufacturer involvment has always been a big priority for the series. Gen 3 looks to be stepping away from that, which makes sense because without the aforementioned "international regs" I can't see any manufacturers getting involved. So without direct factory involvment we press on, racing cars that won't be for sale... Hmmmm... Without manufacturers, car model choice is totally up to the series. So they choose cars not for sale. Ok... Takeaway the facade and what it looks like is Supercars has effectively lost manufacturer backing yet is still clinging to manufacturers, even if it means running cars not available in Australia Strange stuff... |
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Wow, just wow. That attitude is a good way to send Renault, Peugeot and Honda fans far away from your racing series.
No mention that these these are the kinds of sporty economy cars that people actually buy, they represent a wide variety of brands, and that they actually have circuit capability in stock form (whereas you really need a Mustang GT350R but Ford Australia will only sell you a regular GT)... Lovecars: Civic vs Megane with Tiff Needell Lovecars: Megane vs Mini v i30 v Octavia v 308 with Tiff Needell |
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Yet I guess myself and many fans have zero interest in these cars. TCR is their class not supercars.. Supercars with Ford Mustang, Chev Camaro and hopefully a BMW M4, Toyota Supra, Kia Stinger, Nissan Z, Audi RS5, Dodge Challenger etc sounds great. Fast, Thumping V8 and Aussie Nascar Style. |
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I dont get the part about manufacturer support? The race on sunday sell on monday is absolutely dead , so why does it matter if the car is avaliable to buy? Manafacturers are not going to tipping money into racing especially post covid I really think we should be building the future of the top tier of australian motorsport around the ability around teams to be flexible in the car that they choose to base their racing on |
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But then they should stop trying to tell us it is the same series as it’s always been and continue to trade off its history, if it’s decided road relevance is not important.....ironic given road relevance was one of the core reasons the V8 rules came in for 1993 |
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So a series shouldn't evolve? The worlds moved on from where it was in 1993.
I would think there are some pretty obvious links with the ATCC and the current supercars championship regardless of the rule set applied being different. Should Nascar not celebrate its history because the cars are no longer stock cars? |
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And you know, outlasted most of those other rule sets combined. |
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Oddly their paywall streaming service has been one of the major issues (in my limited pool of people) why it's gained popularity overseas as it's such great value. Shows that paywalls can work but the price point has to be right. Not entirely sure what you guys get in Aus/NZ for your money but what has always put me off paying for F1 over here is that they want a decent wedge of my money in comparison and have constant ad breaks in everything but the actual race. Seems like having your cake and eating it to me. Personally I'm looking forward to the Gen3 cars. |
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The years that the ATCC ran to Improved Production, Group C and Group A, along with the first four years of the V8 Formula, were all administered by CAMS. That is why they all belong in ATCC history. TEGA were gifted the category rights for the V8 Formula at the end of 1995, and got into bed with IMG/Tony Cochrane for 1997, formed AVESCO and after the CAMS/AVESCO bust up in 2000 they’ve done their own thing, they don’t even advertise the series as the ATCC, just use the stats to supposedly justify their “heritage” Supercars as an organisation is almost 24 years old, enough history of their own to start celebrating. |
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So what should we do ? Not celebrate the history of the drivers cars and teams? Let it all fade into history? Similar to our goldstar series for open wheel drivers? To be honest im not really sure why this is such a big issue the cams/supercars/avesco bust up get back together happened over 20 years ago , surely its time to just accept that supercars was the next evolution in the atcc and move on with life |
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