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6 Jan 2021, 04:28 (Ref:4027089) | #726 | |
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A thesis could be written on why people change leisure pursuits away from what previous generations did. One huge impact on motor sport in this country is the implosion happening in karting, cutting the roots out of motor sport. The knock on effect will be felt through the next decade initially and that has already begun.
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Years later , I did caravan racing, and Demo derby's . The crowds loved it. You are right about speedway, great events, races run, and done in the space of 4 hours, punters are happy and good nights. As a volunteer at circuit racing, on track around 7:30 am , finish around 4:00pm, for the first day, practice , qualify and maybe a race or two. Then back the next day to do the same : Very drawn out . |
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6 Jan 2021, 06:33 (Ref:4027093) | #728 | |
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Personally I find all the stoppages at a Speedway event very frustrating.
Sure the whole thing is over in 4 hours but the amount of green flag racing compared to the time for warm ups and yellow flags does my head in. |
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6 Jan 2021, 08:16 (Ref:4027097) | #729 | |
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Offtopic here but..
This what i would love to see tried to address spectator attendance issues. Run a series over 4 weekends during summer at Late arvo evening under lights, starting at 5pm and over by 9pm. 5 classes - Supercars, S5000, TA2, Excels and Superbikes. Format is 12pm to 4pm - Practice & Qualifying. 5pm - Excel Race 1 - 10 Laps Reverse Grid Race - TA2 Race 1 - 10 Laps Reverse Grid Race - Super Bikes - 10 Laps Reverse Grid Race - S5000 - Top 10 Shootout - Supercars - Top 10 Shootout 6.30pm - Excel Feature 15 Laps - TA2 Feature 15 laps - Super Bikes Feature 15 Laps - S5000 Feature Race 40Laps - V8 Supercars Feature 40 Laps Racing at Sydney, Winton, The Bend and Barbagallo. I bet with right promotion you would pack the house. |
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6 Jan 2021, 23:59 (Ref:4027320) | #731 | ||
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Murph is pretty bullish about Gen 3. Let's hope he's right and the new car regs assist with better racing overall.
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7 Jan 2021, 01:29 (Ref:4027325) | #732 | |
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Sure ill agree the odd sprintcar meeting that can happen if there are a few reds but most other divisions are pretty good.
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Not just that, but he gives supercars a go according to his quote. Outside of Bathurst the majority of fans in this country mostly ignore supercars. F1 is where motor racing interest in Australia has been fueled, and for close to 40 years now. But it's not quantifiable because it's not a part of domestic racing. This is an oversight of numerous posters on here. F1 is "eurocentric" (like with general motoring), and if a eurocentric class was introduced to Australia, it'll get a following. This has been the case even with the finishing of super touring, but there's never really been good admin for domestic racing culture here. |
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Not an either/or situation though - both F1 and domestic racing are of great interest to many that I know. |
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Later on, there was a move to more international categories which escalated costs massively and alienated a huge amount of kart racers who simply did it for the love and fun of the sport. A guy I know was doing an "arrive and drive" deal, for his son, although he owned all the gear. He knocked it on the head when it got to around $2500 a meeting. |
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Just look at the far greater success of Japanese Formula 3000! Australians like V8s, V8s are supposed to be raspy and have a high-pitched wail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIp_AKK7gp0 |
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At some point the sport is likely to re-unite in NSW (as it has done before, this division seems to pop up in NSW from time to time) and although hurt, will start to grow in that state again but will be behind the other states for some time most likely. |
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11 Jan 2021, 01:08 (Ref:4028078) | #740 | |
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Id argue that australian motorsport suffers a bit from having too many different classes / variations that all in all are pretty similar. With a relatively small population base. you end up with plenty of classes with few cars on track which leads to not very good racing.
I also think the challenge of having cars that are so reliant on having both a knowledge of mechanical and electrical systems is challenging. Id also say that in general younger people are looking at smaller houses which gennerally doesnt allow for a trailer/racecar setup easily. |
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2 litre, four-cylinder, hybrid, 600hp -- this is the future of sports coupes but the Supercars Gen 3 platform won't cater to it, even though Gen 3 is supposed to cater to market-relevant sports coupes.
At least the body will fit over the roll hoop, but would Polestar really come back to race a V8, when Geely have said clearly that hybridisation and then electric is the future? Quote:
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That was Big Darrell Eastlake's continual whinge that they weren't true F3000's and as you said, the V6 3800 was the only thing that kept them even remotely affordable as a national category. |
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Did F3 or Formula Holden/Brabham ever run as stand-alone meetings and did anyone attend? There you go - same, but different |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzy8am0QAh4 Did anyone attend? - no. Formula type racing, outside of the AGP and IndyCar at Surfers, has not attracted crowds since the late seventies. |
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That's because Formula Brabham cars used those Buick 90-degree V6s that sound like a wet fart, instead of the wailing V8s used in AGP and Indycar.
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Do you really think that engine sound alone was the sole cause of the series failure and there was absolutely no other reason?
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Of course they would be unable to race at Bathurst because of safety issues, but circuits like Eastern Creek, Phillip Island and The Bend would all be excellent for hosting state Grand Prixs. Heck such a category would be more than sufficient to headline the South Australian Grand Prix at the Adelaide Parklands, and the Queensland Grand Prix at the Surfers Paradise Circuit. People love (proper) open wheel racing, it is a lot of fun! S5000 is a good try but it's not quite there, it's too obvious they are modified F3 cars with Ford small block V8s, and I don't believe the fuel tank capacity (which has not been expanded from the F3) is sufficient to run a 305km Grand Prix. GP2 regularly produces exceptional close racing, and it only costs $1.5m AUD per car per season (about the same as running a Supercar), so a similar Formula 3000-type class could easily be Australia's (and Australasia's) premier circuit racing category IMO. Races in Malaysia at the world class Sepang circuit, Thailand at the Buriram Circuit, Indonesia at the Sentul circuit and so on, would only add to the calibre of Australasia's premier open-wheel Grand Prix series. Formula Holden by comparison was too much of a cut-priced, bare bones minor class -- some of this self-inflicted by running a meagre grid of ancient 8-year-old Reynards with Buick V6s that sound awful -- instead of a flagship premier F3000/Grand Prix series of a higher status, headline 305km Grand Prixs at Adelaide/Gold Coast, and higher commercial relevance than the ATCC. ...Who wouldn't want to watch Hartley, van Gisbergen, Reid, McLaughlin, Whincup, Halliday, Albon, Vandoorne, Magnussen, Winterbottom, Vips, Mostert, de Silvestro and co banging wheels in Australiasia's premier open-wheel class in cars plastered with brands like Penrite, Shell, Red Bull etc!? Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 19 Jan 2021 at 06:52. |
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