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The same rules as at every race. |
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I would like to think that they do, because, after all, even Michael Schumacher had all his points removed for his egregious tactics. Although, regretfully, if my memory is correct, he didn't get that penalty for taking out Damon Hill in a previous season. |
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But - the Stewards (or a competitor appeal - and I'm sure Mercedes would) can see a matter referred to The FIA World Motor Sport Council. That is what happened in the case of TGF: 'The World Council found that Michael Schumacher's manoeuvre was an instinctive reaction and although deliberate not made with malice or premeditation. It was a serious error. The World Council decided to exclude Michael Schumacher from the results of the 1997 FIA Formula One World Championship for drivers. The final results of the FIA Formula One World Championship have been modified accordingly. The results of the Constructors' Championship remain unchanged. Michael Schumacher retains his points and victories recorded during the 1997 season.' |
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He took Hill out in '94, winning the WDC by one point. |
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7 Dec 2021, 21:46 (Ref:4087594) | #507 | ||
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Thanks for that guys; at least I do still possess a few marbles up top!
I think that the teams' bosses might take a more proactive stance towards their drivers' on-track antics if they thought that the Council might strip them of some or all of the Constructor points, because points mean money, and if Marko or Horner thought that they might have reduced budget, they might act differently to Verstappen's manoeuvrers. |
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7 Dec 2021, 22:49 (Ref:4087597) | #508 | ||
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Let's not forget Michael's tactic against JV was 24yrs ago.
The rules and application of penalties are different these days, you commonly saw drivers receive race bans for incidents in the past. If anything happened in Abu Dhabi, the penalty will be applied within the bounds of the rules - they can't and won't just change it "because it's the final race". (although there is some merit in discussing increased or double penalties for the last race of the season) And in the off chance they do, we're going to spend the entire off-season debating the RB v Mercedes v FIA legal battle. |
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if that's the case that Maxi could not be stripped of all points if he does the dirty thing what would hinder mercedes to put Bottas to crash into him as precaution ?
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Strategically? Make sure you get an unfair advantage when you let the driver past. Why do I have to let him past? Well you gained an unfair advantage. |
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Strategically could also mean do it where it doesn't disadvantage him as much as on another part of the track. |
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Like just staying on line and easing off slightly on a straight.
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Happy to be corrected but that is my memory with reading back after the event and retrospective team comments. Edit: OK, curiosity re was my memory correct had me go online to see if I could find something to reassure me / my memory. I did not find the article I remember reading, but I did find one saying basically the same. it seems it was indeed a retrospective (maybe years later)interview with (S)PH. Link follows: https://rec.autos.sport.f1.narkive.c...heated-in-1994 Last edited by E.B; 8 Dec 2021 at 03:04. Reason: added link to article relating |
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8 Dec 2021, 07:04 (Ref:4087626) | #514 | |
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If they can block the DRS on the first straight after the pass, then this would all be much less of a problem
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Would a good solution on a lot of the tracks be a long lap penalty? They do this in MotoGP and it works a treat.
For going off track to retain position you could just get them to do two or three of them in a row. Obviously this requires quick decisions from race control, so it is a bit fanciful. |
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8 Dec 2021, 11:20 (Ref:4087661) | #516 | |
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The long lap penalty works well in MotoGP, but then they are about a quarter of the width of an F1 car, so not sure it would necessarily work in F1
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Have you seen the tarmac runoff most tracks have?
Places like Monaco it is obviously not possible. |
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Well, credit to Marko for the apology - not that there was much choice. I guess it was too much to hope that Horner would be as contrite...
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Be nice to get an apology from Horner and Max now.....doubt it will be forthcoming though
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Apologies from such people are worthless, so who cares.
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8 Dec 2021, 13:45 (Ref:4087694) | #524 | ||
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They seem genuinely to believe there’s nothing to apologise for. In what amounts to a puff piece in The Times today Horner refers to Hamilton driving into the back of Verstappen with no mention of Verstappen braking.
The extent of Horner’s eulogising of Verstappen is also extraordinary. Apparently he is single-handedly making up for having a slower car built by plucky underdogs fighting the mighty corporate machine that is Mercedes, all the while being treated unfairly by stewards and race control. |
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