BTCC BTCC 2023 season discussion, News and Rumours! - Page 23

touring fan01 · 31 Oct 2022, 17:45 (Ref:4132238)

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Originally Posted by Spanner monkey

WSR to be sold to MB Racing/Rokit
Lazer tools/Moffat to join with Dynamics for 2 x 2 car teams

gosh some people talk nonsense on forums

Pickles · 31 Oct 2022, 19:00 (Ref:4132247)

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Originally Posted by Spanner monkey

WSR to be sold to MB Racing/Rokit
Lazer tools/Moffat to join with Dynamics for 2 x 2 car teams

Are Dynamics bringing in Volvo or Kia?

porsche962fan · 31 Oct 2022, 19:03 (Ref:4132248)

what ever happened with Aunt Sally ?

Jiiiiiiim · 31 Oct 2022, 20:02 (Ref:4132252)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

what ever happened with Aunt Sally ?

Aunt Sally is still about, just doesn’t post or posts under a different name

crmalcolm · 31 Oct 2022, 20:19 (Ref:4132255)

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Originally Posted by Spanner monkey

WSR to be sold to MB Racing/Rokit
Lazer tools/Moffat to join with Dynamics for 2 x 2 car teams

50% of half of this post is accurate.

It's 2023's version of 3 unsigned seats......

redshoes · 31 Oct 2022, 21:00 (Ref:4132256)

http://www.mini7.co.uk/2023-calendar...eaturing-btcc/
As expected, Mini's to run as BTCC support at Thruxton

Evantra · 31 Oct 2022, 21:25 (Ref:4132259)

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Originally Posted by redshoes

http://www.mini7.co.uk/2023-calendar...eaturing-btcc/
As expected, Mini's to run as BTCC support at Thruxton

Nice, missed them this year. Shame it's just the one round!

VIVA GT · 1 Nov 2022, 08:19 (Ref:4132292)

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Originally Posted by redshoes

http://www.mini7.co.uk/2023-calendar...eaturing-btcc/
As expected, Mini's to run as BTCC support at Thruxton

Excellent news. Real racing again. I hope they don't show up the BTCC races too much!

rdjones · 1 Nov 2022, 09:02 (Ref:4132295)

As expected, the Legends will be joining the BTCC at Brands, Croft and Knockhill

https://legendsracingeurope.com/sens...-cars-in-2023/

Robin Marriott · 1 Nov 2022, 09:03 (Ref:4132296)

https://www.btcc.net/2022/11/01/three-event-btcc-support-slot-confirmed-for-legends-cars-championship-in-2023/

Legends confirmed for Brands Indy, Croft and Knockhill.

Evantra · 1 Nov 2022, 09:21 (Ref:4132297)

https://twitter.com/berttcr/status/1...021378049?s=21

Bert Taylor and Smiley committed to TCR - doesn't seem like the BTCC is on their agenda for the time being. In fact noticed he's changed his handle to 'berttcr'!

SSmith · 1 Nov 2022, 09:52 (Ref:4132300)

FINAL CALENDAR

Donington Park National 22/23 April
BTCC
British F4
MINI JCW
Porsche Carrera Cup GB
Porsche Sprint Challenge GB

Brands Hatch Indy 6/7 May
BTCC
British F4
MINI JCW
Porsche Carrera Cup GB
Legends Cars Championship

Snetterton 20/21 May
BTCC
British F4
MINI JCW
Porsche Sprint Challenge
Radical Cup UK

Thruxton 3/4 June
BTCC
British F4
MINI Trophy
Porsche Carrera Cup GB
Mini Miglia/Mini Se7ens

Oulton Park 17/18 June
BTCC
British F4
MINI JCW
Porsche Carrera Cup GB
Radical Cup UK

Croft 29/30 July
BTCC
British F4
MINI Trophy
Porsche Sprint Challenge
Legends Cars Championship

Knockhill 12/13 August
BTCC
British F4
MINI JCW
Porsche Carrera Cup GB
Legends Cars Championship

Donington GP August 26/27
BTCC
British F4
MINI Trophy
Porsche Carrera Cup GB
Porsche Sprint Challenge

Silverstone National September 23/24
BTCC
MINI JCW
Porsche Carrera Cup GB
Porsche Sprint Challenge
Caterham Seven Championship UK

Brands Hatch GP October 7/8
BTCC
British F4
MINI JCW
Porsche Carrera Cup GB
Porsche Sprint Challenge

S griffin · 1 Nov 2022, 12:54 (Ref:4132316)

It’s nice to see them continuing to rotate different support series in each meeting

redshoes · 2 Nov 2022, 12:20 (Ref:4132417)

https://www.btcc.net/2022/11/02/toca...ation-changes/

- Top Ten qualifying shootout at 5 meetings
- Option Tyres
- hybrid for max 50% laps plus lower deployment speed for most of the field; more restriction and higher deployment speed for top 7

Evantra · 2 Nov 2022, 12:30 (Ref:4132421)

The qualifying shootout seems ok, particularly at shorter circuits where traffic is more of an issue, but think it'll get confusing doing it at half the rounds and not the others.

Less said about those tyres the better!

Hybrid sounds like it's got even more complicated... hopefully it becomes clearer in practice.

"All year I’ve been asked by teams and drivers to bring the option tyre back for 2023, as they really enjoy the challenge it provides." Hmm... not convinced, don't remember ever hearing a positive comment about it!

Matt K · 2 Nov 2022, 12:34 (Ref:4132423)

Top Ten Showdown (which by no means is a shootout) is quite a nice change - nothing revolutionary but ok.
However, not going to lie, I'm not a fan of remaining two changes. Option tyres combined with amended hybrid rules will again provide more gimmicky racing but that was to be expected, wasn't it.

Jon411 · 2 Nov 2022, 12:43 (Ref:4132425)

The tactical use of the Hybrid should mix things up a bit more.

Potentially if we have another situation like Colin at Silverstone with no deployment it could give the driver a bit more of a chance to make up places if it does go wrong also.

Will be interesting to see if the changes in deployment speed cause the FWD Teams to start suggesting it gives an unfair advantage to RWD as wasn't that the reason as to why the deployment speed was set as it was in the first place?

Craner Curves · 2 Nov 2022, 12:45 (Ref:4132427)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

The qualifying shootout seems ok, particularly at shorter circuits where traffic is more of an issue, but think it'll get confusing doing it at half the rounds and not the others.

Not confusing to me. The V8s in Australia rotate their qualifying format often and nobody really complains. I'm a big fan of the shootout.

Robin Marriott · 2 Nov 2022, 13:21 (Ref:4132434)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

Hybrid sounds like it's got even more complicated... hopefully it becomes clearer in practice.

Took me a couple of reads to try to understand it and I’m still not entirely sure it makes sense. Capping cars 8-31 (32?) at 50% of the laps seems backwards and I think it’ll create a bigger gap between the front and the back of the grid.

I guess it doesn’t really matter though. Most viewers don’t care about how or why the cars do what they do, as long as there’s racing.

crmalcolm · 2 Nov 2022, 13:48 (Ref:4132437)

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Originally Posted by Robin Marriott

Took me a couple of reads to try to understand it and I’m still not entirely sure it makes sense. Capping cars 8-31 (32?) at 50% of the laps seems backwards and I think it’ll create a bigger gap between the front and the back of the grid.

I guess it doesn’t really matter though. Most viewers don’t care about how or why the cars do what they do, as long as there’s racing.

As I understand it, the application for races would be someting like (figures are indicative, not absolute - based on a 18 lap race):

Position	Hybrid Laps	Hybrid deployment speed (minimum)
1	1	100kph
2	2	100kph
3	3	100kph
4	4	100kph
5	5	100kph
6	7	100kph
7	8	100kph
8	9	80kph
9	9	80kph
......
31	9	80kph

redshoes · 2 Nov 2022, 14:45 (Ref:4132447)

Reducing the number of laps gets round the previous issue where the 10th place car could use hybrid on 17 of the 18 laps, but as no-one could use on the first lap it made no difference compared to those behind.

The change in deployment speed means another challenge for the drivers, as depending on results the deployment point could change throughout the weekend. I'm sure most drivers learn to anticipate where hybrid will be available exiting a corner, just as the learn the braking points. You spend all free practice / qualifying anticipating when hybrid will be available, then that point changes forward or backwards depending on what deployment speed you now have.

antnee · 2 Nov 2022, 15:26 (Ref:4132456)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

As I understand it, the application for races would be someting like (figures are indicative, not absolute - based on a 18 lap race):

Position	Hybrid Laps	Hybrid deployment speed (minimum)
1	1	100kph
2	2	100kph
3	3	100kph
4	4	100kph
5	5	100kph
6	7	100kph
7	8	100kph
8	9	80kph
9	9	80kph
......
31	9	80kph

That is how I understand it too. Then cars 1-8 get less than 50% laps to use it (on a sliding scale), 9-31 get 50% of laps to use.

It will bring more tactics into play, eg you start low down so use it up early in the race to make up places, but others you have passed are saving for the end, so then try and battle back past in the closing stages.

This year there was often a stalemate when so many cars were using the additional power in the same places - it means the same defense/attack can't be used on every single lap.

crmalcolm · 2 Nov 2022, 15:29 (Ref:4132457)

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Originally Posted by antnee

Then cars 1-8 get less than 50% laps to use it (on a sliding scale), 9-31 get 50% of laps to use.

I think this is the key phrase.

crmalcolm · 3 Nov 2022, 07:12 (Ref:4132498)

Just one minor update this week - Sam Osborne has talked about being with the team for 2023, so is pencilled in.

2022 TBL	Team	Car	Driver	Status	Jack Sears
EXCELR8-1	Bristol Street Motors with EXCELR8 TradePriceCars.com	Hyundai i30 Fastback N	Ingram	Confirmed in press release	Inel.
EXCELR8-2	Bristol Street Motors with EXCELR8 TradePriceCars.com	Hyundai i30 Fastback N	Chilton	Confirmed in press release	Inel.
EXCELR8-3	Excelr8	Hyundai i30 Fastback N	Lloyd?	Talked about being confident of 2023 drive	Inel.
EXCELR8-4	Excelr8	Hyundai i30 Fastback N	???		???
Team Dynamics-1	Halfords/Cataclean?	Civic?	Shedden?	Talked about next year with the team	Inel.
Team Dynamics-2	Halfords/Cataclean?	Civic?	Rowbottom?	Talked about next year with the team	Inel.
Aiden Moffat-1	Laser Tools?	???	Moffat?	Infiniti described as being end of life by the team	Inel.
Aiden Moffat-2	Laser Tools?	???	???	Infiniti described as being end of life by the team	???
Motorbase-1	NAPA Racing	???	Sutton	Confirmed as 3-year deal in press release, talk of new build car	Inel.
Motorbase-2	NAPA Racing	???	Cammish	Confirmed as 3-year deal in press release, talk of new build car	Inel.
Motorbase-3	???	???	Osborne?	Talked about looking forward to next year with the team	Elig.
Motorbase-4
HARD.-1	HARD.	Cupra	Taylor-Smith	Confirmed as multi-year in press release	Inel.
HARD.-2	HARD.	Cupra	Thompson?	Talked about his next year in the car	Inel.
HARD.-3	HARD.	Cupra	Hamilton?	Talked about his next year in the car	Inel.
Speedworks-1	Toyota Gazoo Racing UK?	Corolla?	Butcher?	Talked about wanting another year with the team	Inel.
Speedworks-2
WSR-1
WSR-2
WSR-3	MB Motorsport?	BMW 330e?	Hill?	Talked about being back next year in the same team	Inel.
Ciceley-1
Ciceley-2
PMR-1	PMR	Astra?	Hand	Confirmed as multi-year in press release	Elig.
PMR-2
BTC-1	Rich Energy BTC Racing?	???	???	Reported as considering a new build	???
BTC-2	Rich Energy BTC Racing?	???	???	Reported as considering a new build	???
BTC-3	Rich Energy BTC Racing?	???	???	Reported as considering a new build	???
Boardley-1	???	???	Boardley?	Has described 2022 as a sabbatical	Elig.
Boardley-2
TOCA-1
TOCA-2
TOCA-3
???	Graves Motorsport?	???	Max Coates?	Outlined plans for an entry in 2021	Elig.
???	Parker Motorsport?	Alfa Giulia?	???	Press release states a planned return after hybrid is introduced	???
???	Parker Motorsport?	Alfa Giulia?	???	Press release states a planned return after hybrid is introduced	???
???
???	MB Motorsport	???	???	Talked about a 2-car entry for 2023	???
???	Bert Taylor Racing	???	???	Talked about getting a TBL for 2023	???
???	???	???	Proctor?	Has described 2022 as a sabbatical	Inel.
???	???	???	Smelt?	Has described 2022 as a sabbatical	Elig.
???	Volvo	Kia	T.Harvey	Rumoured in threads every year, has to be true one day	Inel.

S griffin · 3 Nov 2022, 10:14 (Ref:4132506)

Having a top 10 shootout at 50% of the races is fine. Not so sure about bringing back option tyres though

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