BTCC BTCC 2023 season discussion, News and Rumours! - Page 30

VXDave · 1 Dec 2022, 08:49 (Ref:4135658)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

One other detail I noticed in the article is the sentence 'Morgan will [be] making his Manufacturers/Constructors debut'

This confirms the category in which WSR will enter, and strongly suggests that at least two cars are likely to be 'Team BMW'.

Sounds most likely doesn't it, although it is also true that because it's a Manufacturers / Constructors title these days, some teams enter even without proper manufacturer backing (Motorbase last year for example - no Ford branding whatsoever if memory serves).

antnee · 1 Dec 2022, 09:09 (Ref:4135659)

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Originally Posted by VXDave

Sounds most likely doesn't it, although it is also true that because it's a Manufacturers / Constructors title these days, some teams enter even without proper manufacturer backing (Motorbase last year for example - no Ford branding whatsoever if memory serves).

That is because Motorbase are a constructor

crmalcolm · 1 Dec 2022, 09:22 (Ref:4135660)

Quote:

Originally Posted by VXDave

Sounds most likely doesn't it, although it is also true that because it's a Manufacturers / Constructors title these days, some teams enter even without proper manufacturer backing (Motorbase last year for example - no Ford branding whatsoever if memory serves).

True - some teams opt to enter as a constructor without manufacturer backing.
It does seem a bit unclear from the outside at times.

For example:
HARD. are the team behind the Cupra entries, but have never been entered as a Constructor.
In 2021 Team Dynamics was an Independent entry, but for 2022 they reverted to being a Constructor again.
PMR was a Constructor in 2019, but was an Independent entry in 2020 with the same cars.
Motorbase was an Independent entry in 2020, but the same cars were entered as a Constructor in 2021.
Excelr8 was an Independent entry in 2021, but the same cars were entered as a Constructor in 2022.

crmalcolm · 1 Dec 2022, 09:23 (Ref:4135661)

The WSR/Morgan announcement, along with the associated details in the press releases, firms up a bit more of the grid:

2022 TBL	Team	Car	Driver	Status	Jack Sears
EXCELR8-1	Bristol Street Motors with EXCELR8 TradePriceCars.com	Hyundai i30 Fastback N	Ingram	Confirmed in press release	Inel.
EXCELR8-2	Bristol Street Motors with EXCELR8 TradePriceCars.com	Hyundai i30 Fastback N	Chilton	Confirmed in press release	Inel.
EXCELR8-3	Bristol Street Motors with EXCELR8 TradePriceCars.com	Hyundai i30 Fastback N	Lloyd?	Talked about being confident of 2023 drive	Inel.
EXCELR8-4	Bristol Street Motors with EXCELR8 TradePriceCars.com	Hyundai i30 Fastback N	Halstead	Confirmed in press release	Elig.
Team Dynamics-1	Halfords/Cataclean?	Civic?	Shedden?	Talked about next year with the team	Inel.
Team Dynamics-2	Halfords/Cataclean?	Civic?	Rowbottom?	Talked about next year with the team	Inel.
Aiden Moffat-1	Laser Tools?	???	Moffat?	Infiniti described as being end of life by the team	Inel.
Aiden Moffat-2	Laser Tools?	???	???	Infiniti described as being end of life by the team	???
Motorbase-1	NAPA Racing	???	Sutton	Confirmed as 3-year deal in press release, talk of new build car	Inel.
Motorbase-2	NAPA Racing	???	Cammish	Confirmed as 3-year deal in press release, talk of new build car	Inel.
Motorbase-3	???	???	Osborne?	Talked about looking forward to next year with the team	Elig.
Motorbase-4
HARD.-1	HARD.	Cupra	Taylor-Smith	Confirmed as multi-year in press release	Inel.
HARD.-2	HARD.	Cupra	Thompson?	Talked about his next year in the car	Inel.
HARD.-3	HARD.	Cupra	Hamilton?	Talked about his next year in the car	Inel.
WSR-1	Team BMW/Ciceley Commercials?	BMW 330e	Morgan	Confirmed in press release	Inel.
WSR-2	Team BMW?	BMW 330e	Turkington?	Confirmed entry in press release	Inel.
WSR-3	MB Motorsport?	BMW 330e	Hill?	Talked about being back next year in the same team	Inel.
Ciceley-1	MB Motorsport?	BMW 330e	Jelley?	MB talked about a 2-car entry for 2023 – WSR confirmed as a 4-car entry	Inel.
Ciceley-2	Toyota Gazoo Racing UK?	Corolla?	???	Ciceley confirmed departure from championship – Speedworks rumoured to have acquired TBL	???
Speedworks-1	Toyota Gazoo Racing UK?	Corolla?	Butcher?	Talked about wanting another year with the team	Inel.
Speedworks-2	Toyota Gazoo Racing UK?	Corolla?	???	???	???
PMR-1	PMR	Astra?	Hand	Confirmed as multi-year in press release	Elig.
PMR-2
BTC-1	Rich Energy BTC Racing?	???	???	Reported as considering a new build	???
BTC-2	Rich Energy BTC Racing?	???	???	Reported as considering a new build	???
BTC-3	Rich Energy BTC Racing?	???	???	Reported as considering a new build	???
Boardley-1	???	???	Boardley?	Has described 2022 as a sabbatical	Elig.
Boardley-2
TOCA-1
TOCA-2
TOCA-3
???	Graves Motorsport?	???	Max Coates?	Outlined plans for an entry in 2021	Elig.
???	Parker Motorsport?	Alfa Giulia?	???	Press release states a planned return after hybrid is introduced	???
???	Parker Motorsport?	Alfa Giulia?	???	Press release states a planned return after hybrid is introduced	???
???	Bert Taylor Racing	???	???	Talked about getting a TBL for 2023	???
???	???	???	Proctor?	Has described 2022 as a sabbatical	Inel.
???	???	???	Smelt?	Has described 2022 as a sabbatical	Elig.
???	Volvo	Kia	T.Harvey	Rumoured in threads every year, has to be true one day	Inel.

porsche962fan · 1 Dec 2022, 10:31 (Ref:4135663)

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Originally Posted by Jon411

According to the Autosport article, WSR have purchased one of the Ciceley TBLs and both of the cars but has said they are not interested in running a 5th no matter who gives them a call.

Dick has asked Motorbase if they fancied the 5th BMW for Ash (I think that was a bit tongue in cheek somehow)

so that begs the question who got the other TBL ?

well now at aleast Uncle Dick doesn't have to worry about space car anymore , or 006 was scrapped and they will use Gamble's one for Turkington ??

Pdh · 1 Dec 2022, 10:40 (Ref:4135665)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

so that begs the question who got the other TBL ?

well now at aleast Uncle Dick doesn't have to worry about space car anymore , or 006 was scrapped and they will use Gamble's one for Turkington ??

Think one of the autosport articles said speedworks had the other

billy bleach · 1 Dec 2022, 10:42 (Ref:4135666)

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Originally Posted by Pdh

Think one of the autosport articles said speedworks had the other

Why - Collard has gone and frankly they seemed to struggle to run two cars!

porsche962fan · 1 Dec 2022, 10:44 (Ref:4135668)

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Originally Posted by Pdh

Think one of the autosport articles said speedworks had the other

3 Toyotas , if they can get good drivers they may a force but this season only Butcher showed results

crmalcolm · 1 Dec 2022, 10:57 (Ref:4135672)

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Originally Posted by Pdh

Think one of the autosport articles said speedworks had the other

It's strongly rumoured.

'WSR mopping up one of Ciceley’s TBL entrants’ licences to bring its total to four, with Toyota squad Speedworks Motorsport tipped to acquire the other to move up to three.'

Millvi · 1 Dec 2022, 12:11 (Ref:4135686)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

3 Toyotas , if they can get good drivers they may a force but this season only Butcher showed results

Definitely agree. Butcher + another 2 such as Cook or Proctor or perhaps Gamble or Dan Lloyd would be great for Speedworks I think.

SSmith · 1 Dec 2022, 12:32 (Ref:4135688)

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Originally Posted by Millvi

Definitely agree. Butcher + another 2 such as Cook or Proctor or perhaps Gamble or Dan Lloyd would be great for Speedworks I think.

It would definitely be great for the championship and for developing the car. I've always thought that Speedworks signing relative FWD rookies in Smelt and Collard was a misstep for car setup and R&D.

S griffin · 1 Dec 2022, 14:06 (Ref:4135702)

No surprise to see Morgan snapped up by WSR. This move could be the making of him. Dick Bennetts is a great mentor

antnee · 1 Dec 2022, 14:08 (Ref:4135705)

Is there a date when the TBL list will be announced?

rdjones · 1 Dec 2022, 17:12 (Ref:4135735)

Jake Hill to continue at WSR - https://www.btcc.net/2022/12/01/hill...title-assault/

No real Suprise there

SSmith · 1 Dec 2022, 17:34 (Ref:4135742)

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Originally Posted by antnee

Is there a date when the TBL list will be announced?

I haven't seen a confirmed date anywhere. Last year the TBL list was announced on December 2nd - so more than likely at some point within the next week.

SSmith · 1 Dec 2022, 17:35 (Ref:4135744)

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Originally Posted by rdjones

Jake Hill to continue at WSR - https://www.btcc.net/2022/12/01/hill...title-assault/

No real Suprise there

Happy to see him get another season at WSR. Consistency of team, car, engineering team should help him hit the ground running.

peebee2 · 1 Dec 2022, 18:24 (Ref:4135752)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

No surprise to see Morgan snapped up by WSR. This move could be the making of him. Dick Bennetts is a great mentor

I’m sure he was snapped up as part of a deal for team equipment, but will be interesting to see how he goes nonetheless.

BTCC frog · 1 Dec 2022, 18:36 (Ref:4135755)

I think maybe Crees and Hamilton to join Butcher at Speedworks and Smelt and Boardley to HARD with Thompson and Taylor-Smith. And PMR will sign a competitive driver alongside Ash Hand, maybe Goff or Proctor.

Pickles · 1 Dec 2022, 20:11 (Ref:4135769)

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Originally Posted by rdjones

Jake Hill to continue at WSR - [url]https://www.btcc.net/2022/12/01/hill-and-mb-motorsport-team-up-with-wsr-again-for-2023-title-assault/[/url

I wonder if Rokit will continue to be the title sponsor?

porsche962fan · 1 Dec 2022, 20:12 (Ref:4135770)

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Originally Posted by rdjones

Jake Hill to continue at WSR - https://www.btcc.net/2022/12/01/hill...title-assault/

No real Suprise there

title contender right here !! , wouldn't be surprised if he becomes no.1 driver at WSR as he seems to be able to extract more out of the car even when the conditions doesn't suit it

crmalcolm · 1 Dec 2022, 20:40 (Ref:4135775)

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Originally Posted by Pickles

I wonder if Rokit will continue to be the title sponsor?

Yes, I guess it depends on how MB manage their portfolio.

antnee · 2 Dec 2022, 07:37 (Ref:4135799)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSmith

Happy to see him get another season at WSR. Consistency of team, car, engineering team should help him hit the ground running.

To be fair, he wasn't exactly slow at Donington this year

crmalcolm · 2 Dec 2022, 08:04 (Ref:4135800)

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Originally Posted by antnee

Is there a date when the TBL list will be announced?

For reference:

Deadline for 2019 entries - 30th Nov 18
2019 TBL list published - 3rd Dec 18

Deadline for 2020 entries - 29th Nov 19
2020 TBL list published - 2nd Dec 19

Deadline for 2021 entries - 11th Jan 21
2021 TBL list published - 12th Jan 21

Deadline for 2022 entries - 1st Dec 21
2022 TBL list published - 2nd Dec 21

Deadline for 2023 entries - (I recall seeing this as being 2nd Dec 22)
2023 TBL list published - At a guess, 5th Dec 22

redshoes · 2 Dec 2022, 09:01 (Ref:4135806)

https://www.btcc.net/2022/12/02/2023...ers-confirmed/
EXCELR8 Motorsport 4
Team Dynamics 2
Aiden Moffat Racing 2
Motorbase Performance Ltd. 4
Team HARD 4
Speedworks Motorsport 3
WSR 4
Power Maxed Racing 2
BTC Racing 3
Carl Boardley Motorsport 1

antnee · 2 Dec 2022, 09:02 (Ref:4135807)

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Originally Posted by redshoes

https://www.btcc.net/2022/12/02/2023...ers-confirmed/
EXCELR8 Motorsport 4
Team Dynamics 2
Aiden Moffat Racing 2
Motorbase Performance Ltd. 4
Team HARD 4
Speedworks Motorsport 3
WSR 4
Power Maxed Racing 2
BTC Racing 3
Carl Boardley Motorsport 1

Changes are,
Cicely -2
WSR +1
Speedworks +1

Interesting that Carl Boardley is still holding on to one

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