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"There are 3 types of championship - technology showcases (F1, WEC); marketing-led (WRC, touring cars); and customer (GT etc.)" To fill a field and make a championship sustainable, you need customers. There's no way 6-10 manufacturers can survive a decade investing heavily in works teams. You need privateers to pay for cheaper cars, so the works teams recover some of the investment. "Formula E will need tight regulations to get it started effectively, but later we will open up a lot of engineering freedom." I don't think that the current formula is atractive. Who will watch slow, identical cars with nonames as drivers? You need something else then electric cars to attract fans: amazing looks or speed, star drivers, works teams, something. "In an efficiency formula it's vital you control the fuel flow, rather than allowing people to burn fuel initially then ease off." Why so? I mean, perhaps that's true, but I don't understand why, I need an explanation. "Prototypes or bolt-on kits unlikely, but we could well see hybrids based on existing road cars coming to the WRC or WTCC." That's expensive. Who will pay for them? Current cars are expensive. WRC has pathetic grids, and WTCC has been struggling with few works teams (Ford and Volvo left recently). "Motorsport (via technical innovation it produces) is just about the only sport that could actually reduce global CO2." Cycling? |
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This simulated engine produces 515 bhp and this simulated car sets a lap time of 3:32.81 and a top speed of 311 km/h. That simulation looks a bit low if you look at top speeds of the privateer LMP1 cars during the 2012 24LM.
In case of the hypothetical 2014 LMP1 car with 5% engine efficiency improvement, the simulated top speed is 282 km/h. |
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That could lead to some teams, who know that the car is unreliable, dominating the first hours of the race by burning all their fuel. Humans inhale oxygen (O2) and exhale carbon dioxide (CO2) |
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11 Jan 2013, 21:00 (Ref:3187909) | #2681 | |
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I'm sorry, but we better see top speed way above 277 km/h
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So in that case the drag can be decreased by the percentage of surface area we lose by narrowing the cars, and therefore the top speed should be better again than in the calculations.
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Sorry but i don´t understand that max speed number´s.
I believe that Porsche,Audi and Toyota will pass the 320 km/ mark easy. Will the 8MJ per lap only favor acceleration or increase the top speed to?? |
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Another thing to take into consideration, if top speed is around 277km/ (about 173mph), say even 180-185mph, it will be a nightmare for LMP1s to past GTs on the straights since the Ferrari was hitting 184mph.
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Oh boy! Things look grim.
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May as well take off all the wing. It'll be worse than LMP2 speeds. I don't buy that. I think the cars will be nearly as fast as they are now. The 458 doesn't have nearly as much power as these cars, so they should definitely be faster, especially with their better aero.
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http://www.racer.com/gavin-fears-qui...rticle/275879/
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Yeah but the huge torque/ weight difference will make then launch out of corners much faster then GTE, also the Aero will let them take correnes much faster thus their initial exiting speed will be much faster, they are also much better under bracking.. The only concern is if the GTE car already reached terminal velocity, and LMP1 is chasing it.. in which case they'll have to wait for the next bracking area, or correr to pass.
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GTE-LMPC (GTE-FLM for the Euros) shows how this might work out. At some tracks it can be a problem, but I am okay with the occasional overall GTE win
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Engines are less efficient under a heavy foot (fast acceleration) than under a "moderate" one. If you restrict airflow you make sure that the engine won't reach the same consumption as an unrestricted engine.
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I think after today's disappointingly low number of P1 entries in both WEC/LM24 and the current struggle to get any prototypes at all in ALMS something needs to be done by the ACO to rejuvenate sportscar racing.
Like many of you have said recently, I can see the top category being an exclusive area for the factory efforts to play in the coming years and I think it's the only way forward. But in my view the class structure needs to be changed. Personally I'd like to see is a single LMP class for privateers and a new LMGTP for manufacturer-only entries where the likes of Porsche, Audi, Toyota etc can go crazy with the latest racing technologies. They could use the basic dimensions (weight & measurements) for the current P2's but visually be more like a road going supercar. Maybe I'm just looking for a way to entice McLaren and other exotic car brands to come endurance racing with extreme GT cars and the only people that can afford to build something on that scale would be factory backed projects so why not? |
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For about 2-3 years until budgets dry up and everyone leaves. Of course, after those 2-3 years being absolutely manic and being hailed by everyone as a golden era of sportscar racing.
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If the manufacturers actually show up...If Toyota pulls the plug after this year, 2014 will be another big 'could have been'... How long will Volkswagen support Audi vs Porsche without any outside competition?
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I was talking about the hypothetical LMGTP class for manufacturers described above.
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