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16 Aug 2007, 16:35 (Ref:1990277) | #276 | |
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Its 80A-16 - Doug Shierson told us that it had been a SCCA club car. There is a picture of John Sorbello driving a central seat "Osella" in Rich Taylors book Lime Rock Park.
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16 Aug 2007, 16:42 (Ref:1990285) | #277 | |||
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Does it give a date? Any chance one of the more scanner-literate members of the family could send me a scan? |
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16 Aug 2007, 16:53 (Ref:1990295) | #278 | |
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1989. Photo is on page 151, taken during "New England Region National" SCCA round
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16 Aug 2007, 18:13 (Ref:1990357) | #280 | ||
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20 Aug 2007, 18:24 (Ref:1992972) | #281 | ||
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BT21C-11 owner
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I finally ran across the name of the person that purchased Hal Roach's car (BT21C-11). His name is Tracy Shepard and he is located in Bloomington, Ill. You can reach him at tracymshepard@dirauto.com. Mac |
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3 Sep 2007, 23:21 (Ref:2003133) | #283 | ||
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Thanks, for the lead. Interestingly I have been doing a lot of research into my BT6 which spent a lot of its life in the Shakey Isles. In NZ there is a Pat McLoughlin listed as running a Cooper Climax in the 1967 14th NZGP. How does a W become Pat? In the grid diagram the P is listed with brackets (P) so maybe there is a clue here too. Earlier in Vercoe's book he is listed as RWC McLoughlin in a Lotus 22 as an entrant in the 1966 Tasman series. Getting closer with a "W" amongst the initials. Now I know a few New Zealanders who use another of their Christian names rather than the first. A long shot I know but will also follow this lead. Are there any New Zealanders that know of "Pat" RWC McLoughlin ? Ed |
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5 Sep 2007, 13:37 (Ref:2004285) | #284 | ||
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There were two brothers, P A T (Pat) and R W C (Roger). Roger had a Lotus 20 (not 22) which - presumably for licence reasons - his older brother raced once or twice
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9 Oct 2007, 03:49 (Ref:2035496) | #285 | |
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Another for sale on Race Cars website just popped up.
BT21-12 http://race-cars.com/carsales/brabha...91781145ss.htm |
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9 Oct 2007, 09:56 (Ref:2035692) | #286 | ||
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Looks like an authentic tool, but should it have a chassis plate like that, or the later aluminium style one?
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9 Oct 2007, 10:04 (Ref:2035698) | #287 | ||
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The plate is not original but that doesn't mean the car isn't.
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9 Oct 2007, 10:15 (Ref:2035712) | #288 | ||
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Allen, I didn't mean to imply the car wasn't real, it looks very authentic, just wondered about the authenticity of the plate as I think it should be an aluminium one, making the one on it a later addition. Quite possible if its been through Operts hands I guess!!
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9 Oct 2007, 10:29 (Ref:2035725) | #289 | ||
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I was attempting to agree with your previous post James, but managed to give almost the opposite impression. I must take the time to read back what I've written befoe hitting 'Post'.
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9 Oct 2007, 13:14 (Ref:2035857) | #290 | |||
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9 Oct 2007, 14:18 (Ref:2035903) | #291 | ||
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Steve, I think all pre 66, (66 inclusive) Brabhams had these plates, post 66 they went to the aluminium one. The point I was making was that it is a pre 66 type plate on that car when it should have a post 66 plate. Most likely a later addition, so it maybe a genuine car but possibly not BT21-12.
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9 Oct 2007, 15:17 (Ref:2035940) | #292 | ||
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Dash tag style.
Hi everyone:
I have the original tag from BT21-16 with me at this moment and it is Alum style. My thoughts have always beens plastic stopped sometime in early 67. My new BT21Bs were always Alum. I did not have a new BT21 that I picked up at Webridge. That car looks too original to be a copy. It may be retagged or 4 cars before the tag I have in 1967. Cheers, Keep the record flowing. Wayne Mitchell |
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9 Oct 2007, 15:28 (Ref:2035952) | #293 | ||
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Hi Wayne
How's the BT2 coming on? Looking at the plate on the BT21 I'm convinced it's been added retrospectively. Apart from the reasons previously mentioned, if it was a genuine plate wouldn't it read f3-67-12 like on all the plastic plate cars not BT21-12. Addes to this I think its too big to be a genuine plastic plate. As you say however the car is far to authentic for it not to be genuine. |
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9 Oct 2007, 15:40 (Ref:2035964) | #294 | ||
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The chassis numbering style changed with the production BT21s from F2-xx-66 to BT21-xx. The plates may have changed at the same point or possibly 12 months earlier.
A restorer showed me a replica pre-66 plate recently and although it wasn't made from the correct material (bakelite not plastic of course), it was visually extremely convincing. There are of course some very simple tests to tell plastic from bakelite. |
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10 Oct 2007, 08:44 (Ref:2036622) | #295 | ||
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Traffolite
Chasps - Wikipedia say:
"Traffolyte was a brand name for multi-layered, plastic sheets suitable for engraving. Each layer was a different colour so engraved letters or shapes would be a different colour from the unengraved portions. Thus it could be used for name tags, labels and signs. It has become a generic term. Sometimes spelt 'traffolite'." Don't know why they call it plastic, because that was not a common term for it when engraving Traffolyte labels was king. For Bakelite Wikipedia say: "The name Bakelite was originally a brand, trademark name, but it is currently considered a generic term for all phenolic resin products, though some phenolic products besides Bakelite are brand-named." The BT21 label looks to be a later plastic rendition, although thats only a guess, based on the fact that older bakelite tended to chip after many years once it had been engraved. Could be the real deal - easy to test. |
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10 Oct 2007, 17:15 (Ref:2037031) | #296 | ||
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BT21 Chassis tags
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Tim Osborne's BT21-9 has the exact same tag on it and looks to be original. Looks like the change was made between 12 and 16. AL Murray BT21-? AM177 |
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10 Oct 2007, 18:13 (Ref:2037070) | #297 | ||
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Does Tim Osbourne's tag say BT-21-9 or BT21-9 or BT-21-09 or BT21-09?
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11 Oct 2007, 17:00 (Ref:2037860) | #298 | ||
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Bt-21
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The tag reads: BT-21-9 AL |
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11 Oct 2007, 19:05 (Ref:2037944) | #299 | ||
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Thanks for that.
I have never seen MRD put a hyphen between the 'BT' and the number that follows it but this is fairly common practice in the US (google for Lola T-190 instead of T190, Penske PC-6 instead of PC6, Ralt RT-4 instead of RT4, Shadow DN-2 instead of DN2 or Williams FW-07 instead of FW07 and you'll see the references are almost always American). My suspicion is that these two plates (BT-21-9 and BT-21-12) have a common source and that it's not MRD. Now of course Ted Walker will pop up and tell me that I'm talking rubbish |
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18 Oct 2007, 09:27 (Ref:2043372) | #300 | ||
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A little update on BT21Bs
Brendan McInerney's late 1968 car is described in AS 11.10.68 p.36 as 'ex Dave Williamson'. This P&M car was then run by McInerney's RCI set up in 1969 for him and Bev Bond, then sold to Geoff Friswell in 1970. The chassis numbers for the three P&M cars are given by AS at the start of 1968: 1 Keens 3: Epton 4: Williamson Epton's car is wrecked mid season, though rebuilt - perhaps for Keith Jupp or else Jim Hardman, but it looks as though 1 [to Matts Bystrom in 1969] and 4 can be accounted for now. BT21B-4 was owned by David Philipson and run in Northern libre races in the late 70s. Chris |
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