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Actually no.
I think the confusion is that Toyota and Peugeot have a business relationship with small cars--PSA's small cars use Toyota 3 cylinder engines. Lotus' cars also currently use Toyota engines. The current Mini line up has diesel engines that were designed jointly by BMW and PSA. |
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If that's the case, then it's another Toyota/Peugeot tie up, albeit by proxy--that is, if the engine in question is one of the BMW/PSA jointly commissioned engines.
I've even been looking at the lemans-history.com site, and there are a lot of vague similarities between the Peugeot 908 and the Toyota TS030 as far as aero. Problem is that there, it's case of using what science tells you as far as how to do something than copycat logic (such as the 2002 Cadillac LMP having obvious but vague similarities to the Audi R8). As far as the TS040 goes, Toyota know what worked with the TS030 and what can be transferred, what won't work, and what can be evolved vs developed from scratch. They have that recent, practical experience. The fact that the '14 R18 has some similarities to the '11-'13 cars shows the evolutionary processes, and it's been rumored that the TS040 has some TS030 cues in it's design. But Audi and Toyota have the advantage of having recently raced cars at LM and in the WEC in LMP1, so it's not like even with the rules changes that they're 100% going down a blind alley. That vs Porsche, who have had to basically start almost 100% from scratch due to being out of the prototype picture for a few years, since they wound down the RS Spyder factory program at the end of '08 and shut down the private team support program in '10. I don't know how TMG will stand up against Audi out of the gate, but if you go off of recent experience, I'd have to say that TMG might have the edge over Porsche if Porsche have early season issues. |
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Anyway, as far as development goes, the TS040 has been in development since 2012, and full time since after LeMans last year. Toyota doesn't need huge testing programs to verify parts or components are in order. I think theres a misconception that since they were last in on track testing that they are behind in the development curve. They denied this with their press release. And if you know how F1 teams work, its not the first on track to win races. As far as the cars look, they call it a "major evolution". I don't think it will be very close to the TS030. |
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According to press release of Toyota,
Toyota reshuffles driver line-up. #7: Wurz/Sarrazin/Nakajima #8: Davidson/Lapierre/Buemi http://ms.toyota.co.jp/jp/wec/racere...0213_news.html |
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And it's here on the team site: http://www.toyotahybridracing.com/dr...toyota-racing/
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I remember Lapi and Sarrazin swapped last season already? Don't know why they shuffle it again.
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Not sure on the accuracy of this, but the "endurance cafe" mentions the TS040 will have variable length intakes http://twitter.com/TheEndu_Cafe/stat...02092775092225
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That seems reasonable because the 2014 rules allow it.
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5.4.2 Variable valve timing and variable valve lift profile systems are not permitted.
^^ This sucks, should defenitely be allowed at LeMans. Seeing a rapid development in this area would benefit roadcars directly and the internal combustion engine as a whole |
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Ulrich Baretzky (Head of Audi's Engine Tech) is also upset about this as you can see in this interview from 2012 (the whole video is worth waching but you can jump to 21:48 for the valve timing thing).
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Allowing it for Le Mans would be good.
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No idea about on-track performance but the TS040 winds hands-down in the sound department:
http://t.co/DC3xQoJBuy Now that's what a race car sounds like |
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Sounds pretty good actually. Bit different than TS030, which - still being loud - sounded quite soft compared to Rebellion.
It could be interesting to see what kind of decibel meter readings it did. I never saw Lola-Aston Martin really racing, but I saw it last summer in Goodwood FOS and it didn't as reach high decibel levels as smaller flat-crank V8's did, though it had a magnificent engine note. Last edited by BudLightJaguar; 25 Feb 2014 at 14:38. |
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Sounds good to me! Roll on Silverstone. Then roll on the big one!
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Sebastien Buemi on his forthcoming season with Toyota and the differences between F1 and FIA WEC testing http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/ra...ad-in-the-wec/
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Sounds a lot like last year's car. If the capacity of the engine increased, it probably wasn't by much. A 4.0 liter engine may sound like that, but not a 4.5 most likely unless they're running it at 9000 rpm.
Also based on the Audi videos in that thread, Audi and Toyota seem to be sticking to reworked derivatives of the 2011-2013 rules engines. |
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