Best LMP1 Chassis

supercarS7 · 11 Sep 2007, 17:31 (Ref:2009508)

I got into a bit of a debate w/ a friend of mine yesterday about what is the best LMP1 car right. We did not include the diesels in this debate for obvious reason but all of the others. My opinion was the Creation and his was the Pescarolo. Ironically both have judd engines, which may should have been brought up but anyhow just wondering what everyone else thought.

brielga · 11 Sep 2007, 17:36 (Ref:2009514)

The Pesca has been undoubtedly mor successful, even that its own originator the Courage!! The Creation was/is more beautiful but in terms of effectiveness and results it does not come even close...

The Badger · 11 Sep 2007, 17:58 (Ref:2009541)

The results say the Pescarolo ..... but 2nd for me would be the Lola .

The359 · 11 Sep 2007, 18:16 (Ref:2009559)

I'd definately go for Pescarolo as the best, but then I'd say Zytek. Yes, the Zytek has had problems finishing, but that's been down to minor problems in my opinion.

Fogelhund · 11 Sep 2007, 18:38 (Ref:2009574)

1. Lola
2. Zytek
3. Pescarolo

ThePenguin · 11 Sep 2007, 18:41 (Ref:2009578)

I would have to say that the Pescarolo chassis is the best of the non-diesels right now.

canam · 11 Sep 2007, 19:29 (Ref:2009627)

At this point, I would say the pesca and Lola are showing up best; however, the Lola has had a year of overall development and the Pesca has had a long progression of development. My money for the future would be on the Zytek and Creation chassis. With similar drivers, they are as fast as the pescas already and I feel that there is heaps of development potential that is relatively easy to untap. The sad one for me is the Courage. Two years of potential development and very little to show for it.

SebringMG · 11 Sep 2007, 22:35 (Ref:2009796)

Zytek lots of largely unfulfilled potential there - probably followed by Lola. Pescarolo while a good chassis atm is gonna hit a brick wall in terms of development as Henri does not have the money required to keep pace with the others.....Courage have a good chassis hidden by p1ss poor choice of engines the last few years

minimangler · 12 Sep 2007, 00:34 (Ref:2009847)

What argument?

Pescarolo, obviously.

Lola a close second this year

chernaudi · 12 Sep 2007, 04:50 (Ref:2009875)

I wonder how an LMP1 Hybrid/dedicated LMP1 Audi R8 based car would do-Porsche Motorsport boss Kristen says that it might be a better package than the R10 for the ALMS right now.

But since there isn't one, it would be either Pescarolo, or Judd Powered Lolas.

Zytek_Fan · 12 Sep 2007, 05:03 (Ref:2009877)

1) Pescarolo
2) Lola
3) Zytek
4) Courage

What Courage really needs is a stronger engine package...

cptkablamo · 12 Sep 2007, 07:20 (Ref:2009919)

I reckon if the Zytek had more development or more teams, it could be a match for the Pescarolo. But as it is now, I think the Pescarolo has it...
We will be able to tell more with the Creation next year as this year is more of a holding pattern until their deal with AIM comes to force. and Courage, I think the chassis is very good, its what is underneath thats the problem. How many times have they had gearbox and engine problems??? And Lola is always fast. Can't say much this year about the Lister or Protran or others really can we...
So
Pescarolo
Zytek
Lola
Creation
Courage
But all very close...

**Bentley03** · 12 Sep 2007, 08:57 (Ref:2009971)

Best chassis? Lola - Zytek - Pescarolo (in that order)
Best car? Pescarolo

There seems to be little doubt that the Pescarolo package is the best compromise between performance and reliability. But the Lola (with the same Judd engine as the Pesca's) would appear to be quicker, as would the Zytek, which could, with Judd power, just be the quickest of all (not that we'll ever find out).

Hammerdown · 12 Sep 2007, 11:47 (Ref:2010085)

I thought a Zytek with a Judd engine was called a Creation

The Badger · 12 Sep 2007, 12:22 (Ref:2010114)

Naa . Its the DBA that was the Creation !!!

SebringMG · 12 Sep 2007, 13:03 (Ref:2010144)

Interesting to note that on Endurance Mag last night (Motors TV) Tim Holloway of Zytek mentioned that the Zytek CAN be fitted with any other engine package

So a Zytek-Judd is more than possible

canam · 12 Sep 2007, 13:58 (Ref:2010174)

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Badger

Naa . Its the DBA that was the Creation !!!

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I think the 675 P1 Zytek was the DBA04. I beleive that Zytek produced some under license to the same spec as the original DBA .

I am given to understand that the new cars (Creation and Zytek) are completely different. At Spa, there did not seem much in it between Cambell-Walter (Creation) and Johansen (Zytek). Creation does not have the same level of driver line-up as Charouz or the No 1 pesca but were running P3/P4 until one driver made a stupid mistake. I definitely feel that the cars are more closely bunched than appears to be the case.
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**Bentley03** · 12 Sep 2007, 16:26 (Ref:2010295)

Quote:

Originally Posted by canam

At Spa, there did not seem much in it between Cambell-Walter (Creation) and Johansen (Zytek). Creation does not have the same level of driver line-up as Charouz or the No 1 pesca but were running P3/P4 until one driver made a stupid mistake. I definitely feel that the cars are more closely bunched than appears to be the case.

I deliberately avoided assessing the Creation. The car only appeared 3 months ago and the team are undertaking a significant programme of development. Progress so far is encouraging, but it's too early to assess it's place in the prototype hierarchy (in my opinion). Perhaps we'll have a better idea after Silverstone?

ThePenguin · 12 Sep 2007, 16:33 (Ref:2010301)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SebringMG

Interesting to note that on Endurance Mag last night (Motors TV) Tim Holloway of Zytek mentioned that the Zytek CAN be fitted with any other engine package

So a Zytek-Judd is more than possible

A Zytek-Judd would probably do very well. If he said that it can be fitted with any engine package does this mean diesels too, or just engine packages that can be purchased by any team.

Hammerdown · 12 Sep 2007, 16:34 (Ref:2010302)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammerdown

I thought a Zytek with a Judd engine was called a Creation

I was joking!

SebringMG · 12 Sep 2007, 16:49 (Ref:2010308)

I would think that a V12 diesel would struggle to fit in their as standard but am sure they are more than capable of engineering a solution if a customer could get therir hands upon a diesel to start with

**Bentley03** · 12 Sep 2007, 23:52 (Ref:2010667)

Posted in wrong thread......oops

JAG · 13 Sep 2007, 00:42 (Ref:2010703)

Pescarolo for consistent points finishes.

Lola Coupe for an outside chance of podiums in 2008.

I don't see the point in taking a risk on any other package.

Zytek_Fan · 13 Sep 2007, 03:44 (Ref:2010750)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

Pescarolo for consistent points finishes.

Lola Coupe for an outside chance of podiums in 2008.

I don't see the point in taking a risk on any other package.

The Lola coupe might be the strongest package when it comes to petrol next year.

HORNDAWG · 13 Sep 2007, 06:31 (Ref:2010809)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SebringMG

I would think that a V12 diesel would struggle to fit in their as standard but am sure they are more than capable of engineering a solution if a customer could get therir hands upon a diesel to start with

Why does a diesel have to be a V-12? The Judd/Ricardo that Melchester is rumored to possibly be running next year is a GV5.5-S2 variant which is a 72 degree V-10. link

L.P.

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