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13 Jan 2009, 23:49 (Ref:2371013) | #1 | |
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Hans Clip Fitting
I got my GP5 done last year at Phoenix (Arai UK) they charged me 75 inc clips. I have another GP5 that needs to be clipped and the price has shot to £140!!
I was told by Phoenix that there is no one in the UK who can clip Arai helmets and that only Arai Holland can do it. Well what a load of bull**** that is! What a stupid rule!! What is to stop me from buying a set of clips and fitting them myself? OK it wont have the FIA sticker, but that is only needed for European races. Do the MSA scrutineers need to see a lable of somesort for MSA /UK compliance? |
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13 Jan 2009, 23:56 (Ref:2371015) | #2 | ||
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ah yes but you may impail ya forhead with the 6" wood screw you used to hold the clip on at the front of you helmet, then realise its in the wrong place and turn your arai into swiss cheese with all the holes in it,init......
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14 Jan 2009, 05:44 (Ref:2371113) | #3 | |
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no mate, the holes are pre drilled, I have built engines and gearboxes in the past, so I think I have enough mechinical aptitude to fit a few clips!
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14 Jan 2009, 09:57 (Ref:2371217) | #4 | ||
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http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulations/Pages/Drivers'Equipment.aspx then Technical List N°28 Material for the upper surface of the hans-yoke in contact with the shoulder straps - published on: 24.12.2004 page 26 and you'll find the sticker that you are paying £82.50 for !!!! I understand that there must be standards in motorsport, and you can't just have anyone drilling holes in a piece of kit like a crash helmet, but helmets that are pre drilled, and made for the fittings - It does seem a bit ridiculous that a competent person cannot fit them themselves - perhaps they should be allowed if checked by an authorised scrutineer. After all, scrutineers are allowed to issue approval stickers for helmets, so why not hans posts ! |
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14 Jan 2009, 10:49 (Ref:2371232) | #5 | |
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My question, what if I buy a set of clips and fit them myself, would the MSA scrutineers notice? I know the european ones look for the FIA sticker.
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14 Jan 2009, 13:43 (Ref:2371320) | #6 | ||
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Good question! Reckon it's one for the MSA, report back when you hear please!
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14 Jan 2009, 14:17 (Ref:2371343) | #7 | ||
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So, if you put the clips on you need an extra sticker? If you take them off, you just need the usual helmet sticker?
Now, I don't know how much effort is involved in putting these on/off, but presumably you could get you helmet scrooted without the clips, then put them on for the race? Would anyone notice? I doubt it. You would have hoped that the MSA would be encouraging use of HANS, not actively discouraging it. And £50 for two small bolts? Welcome to rip off motorsport ltd. |
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14 Jan 2009, 15:56 (Ref:2371398) | #8 | |
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I too am in this situation with an Arai GP5. I think it is to do with the angle of the clips working with the HANS, hence you need it done by Arai Holland who are the only place in Europe with an Arai representitive from Japan to do it.
It's no big drama sending it there really it's gone for 10 days max. You may wonder why you did fit them if you fit the clips yourself and need the HANS finding it didn't work, brave call! Plus nobody can just get hold of an FIA sticker either. |
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I bought my HANS to go with my Arai GP5K just before they started putting FIA logos on the posts (clips as you call them). My helmet was predrilled with plugs so when I bought the HANS I asked my supplier (DT) if I could buy the posts and fit them myself. They said I could, but it was tricky to do a neat job getting the lining back in place. They said they were approved installers and if I sent them the helmet they would be happy to do if for me at no extra cost (bout £50 as I remember). I sent it off and they not only did a nice job, but also stuck a "HANS approved installer" label inside the lid with the serial number of HANS on it, and a certificate to confirm same. In three years of club racing in the UK, I've had four scrutineers comment on the lack of FIA logo on the posts. All were satisfied with the answer that I bought them before the logo was introduced. I've had two scrutineers ask who installed the posts. Both were satisfied with the "HANS approved installer" label inside the helmet. So FWIW, I suggest shopping round any HANS/Helmet suppliers you can find and ask how much for a set of posts and an "Approved Installer" label, fitted if you supply a pre-drilled helmet. Good luck |
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14 Jan 2009, 19:43 (Ref:2371534) | #10 | ||
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I personally do look for the sticker and question anything I am not happy with. I am all for HANS but if its not fitted correctly then it could make it worse. Like any bit of kit it needs to be done properly, and if you take a risk on your head (or neck) be it.
Many helmets now are supplied with HANS post as standard but obviously some older helmets wernt but it is good to see people looking to upgrade and go with HANS, credit to you all. Although I have to agree that its a bit sh** if you have to send it away to Holland to get it done. |
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14 Jan 2009, 21:17 (Ref:2371614) | #11 | ||
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As RF already knows by now, Arai Holland are by far the "cheapest". They only want 120 Euro for the clips, the fitting and the FIA approval sticker, that is what they said to me today.
Don't forget that every helmet manufacturer has to hand in a list what helmet has which sticker, as they have numbers. Sad I know, but that is the way. And yes, the clips need to be placed in a certain angle to work properly. |
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14 Jan 2009, 23:24 (Ref:2371690) | #12 | ||
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15 Jan 2009, 07:22 (Ref:2371788) | #13 | ||
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Which ones are they Alan?
I doubt they install that themselves, but still it could be. |
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15 Jan 2009, 08:19 (Ref:2371809) | #14 | ||
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Hans plus the fear factor = £££££'s What a load of old cobblers, how can you fit a bloody post wrong into two pre drilled holes if they gave you the full instructions including torque figures, this whole HANS thing is just one big rip off as I see it.
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15 Jan 2009, 10:03 (Ref:2371869) | #15 | ||
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According to OMP, they are :- Belgium R-Power Bolksedijk 12 2310 Rijkevorsel Antwerpen - Belgium tel/fax 0032 33146282 ADS RACING SPRL Dreve du tumulus 60 1495 Villers la Ville - Belgium tel 0032 47 2646312 / fax 0032 2 3511721 TYS DESIGN Rue du Canal 99 1000 Brussels - BELGIUM tel 0032 475235430 according to the OMP web site, it says: - Dealers authorised by OMP racing for installing Hans® device. The following Hans device dealers are authorised to install Hans clips exclusively on predrilled helmets manufactured by OMP. It is not possible to install these clips on helmets of other manufacturers. Mother inlaws next door neighbour is half Belgian, and har family are always popping over - may be able to arrange something. Her next door neighbours brother used to work for Bernie Ecclestone in the early days (he's 80 now) but has some interesting tales ! Apparently, they used to call him 'titch'- but thats another story ! Thanks Alan |
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15 Jan 2009, 11:59 (Ref:2371932) | #17 | ||
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They will be telling us next we can't fit our own seat belts!
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15 Jan 2009, 19:19 (Ref:2372222) | #18 | ||
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That is one of the typical FIA things, isn't it? Every nincompoop is allowed to install a rollcage and a seat but not two simple clips.
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