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18 Jan 2010, 04:51 (Ref:2614929)
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Fair Manufacturer Representation (merged)
I would like to put forward my thoughts on the fairness of the championship in relation to manufactures.
Now we have this year 10 Ford teams and 19 Holden teams. Now I don't think that we are heading the right way be having this allowed. The right way would be to have 30 licences and have it 50/50 so that both manufactures get the maximum exposure or even have it fare if and when we get a new manufacture come in to have it even when selling new or existing licences. I Just think that this year we are going at it the wrong way and I think it will just create an unfair advantage to the manufactures on both levels from ford pulling out because there are to many Holden’s and Holden pulling out because there is no competition. Let me know what your thoughts are. |
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18 Jan 2010, 05:05 (Ref:2614930)
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Fair Manufactures
i think that we need to even up the playing field with manufactures.
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18 Jan 2010, 05:25 (Ref:2614932)
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You mean for example there should be 16 Ford's & 16 Holden's i presume... Reckon it would be better if there where some Toyota's thrown into the mix...
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18 Jan 2010, 05:29 (Ref:2614933)
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I think this has been discussed to death. Simple reason we have more Holden teams is that over the years Holden has supported more teams than Ford has. If you look back over the past 40 years, Ford has come and gone on numerous occasions while there have always been Holden supported teams.
Ford scored an own goal when they elected to drop 888 and gifted the category's best performing team to Holden. |
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18 Jan 2010, 05:30 (Ref:2614934)
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Thats right even amount of ford and holdens or even if we do have more makes come in to the championship.
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18 Jan 2010, 05:34 (Ref:2614935)
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i am not talking about if there should be manufacture support anthony. just based on licences from v8sca. whether it is 1 2 3 manufactures or not. should be even amount of makes racing.
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18 Jan 2010, 05:49 (Ref:2614938)
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Teams should be free to run what cars they like. Assigning cars to licences will just cause problems later on. Holden have been prepared to back more cars & give better deals on parts etc, so naturally there will be more of them on the grid. I don't see it as a problem issue (and i'm a Ford man)
Just because Ford has less cars doesn't mean there won't be Fords competitive. No one will notice the ratio if there are cars from both marques at the pointy end, the fact that there are 19 Holdens and 10 Fords will be a nothing matter. In 1993 there were only 4 Fords and about 104 Holdens, yet the Fords took the top 3 spots in the championship (Seton, Jones & Bowe), and the other one finished 5th (Johnson) |
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18 Jan 2010, 06:31 (Ref:2614943)
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You need a third choice along the lines of "I don't care if the numbers are even or not as long as the racing is good".
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18 Jan 2010, 07:20 (Ref:2614949)
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[QUOTE=kittle;2614929]I would like to put forward my thoughts on the fairness of the championship in relation to manufactures.
Show me someone who says motorsport is fair, and I'll show you a liar. Motorsport isn't fair. It isn't supposed to be. You get any and every advantage you can, and you win. Anything else is secondary. This is V8 Supercar, not club level racing. This is professional sport. Fair is for frankly, amateurs. I know it sounds harsh. But there you are. |
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18 Jan 2010, 07:30 (Ref:2614953)
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Totally agree Falcadore.
I can't see how or why having even numbers would make any difference to the quality of the racing. Forcing teams to run one make or another depending on the REC could put teams in a difficult financial position - not what is needed. As long as the racing is good and both makes have an equal chance of winning IF RUN PROPERLY then I can't see what the problem is with uneven numbers. Has happened before will happen again. |
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18 Jan 2010, 07:46 (Ref:2614957)
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Im with Tourer
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18 Jan 2010, 08:49 (Ref:2614984)
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18 Jan 2010, 10:04 (Ref:2615013)
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Nissan didnt need even numbers to win .. its a crock !!
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18 Jan 2010, 10:05 (Ref:2615014)
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i think if you look at page3 of the results sheet broadcast on Ch7 last year (ie 21st-29th) you will see it was predominately Red for Holden... can't see it changing this year, so moot point, leave it, who cares
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18 Jan 2010, 10:05 (Ref:2615015)
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18 Jan 2010, 10:09 (Ref:2615019)
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18 Jan 2010, 11:15 (Ref:2615052)
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 For 2008 and 2009 the grid was made up of 18 Holdens vs 11 Fords and this year only sees 1 extra car for Holden and 1 less car for Ford. As others have rightly pointed out had Ford not dropped the ball you may possibly of seen a 16 Holden vs 13 Ford grid for this season but at the end of the day drivers will go were the $$$$ are irrespective of the marque. |
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18 Jan 2010, 11:40 (Ref:2615060)
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Threads like these make me lol. Guess i'm not getting my 2010 wish granted.
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18 Jan 2010, 11:55 (Ref:2615065)
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No Stealthy, you are not.
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18 Jan 2010, 12:11 (Ref:2615078)
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[QUOTE=HSVDT;2615052
As others have rightly pointed out had Ford not dropped the ball you may possibly of seen a 16 Holden vs 13 Ford grid for this season but at the end of the day drivers will go were the $$$$ are irrespective of the marque.[/QUOTE] And when Ford only wants to sponsor 4 cars like in 2009, why should they get the benefit of 50% of the grid? If Ford want more Falcons on the grid, then they need to resume sponsoring more teams like they did in the past! |
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18 Jan 2010, 12:17 (Ref:2615084)
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as we keep saying only need one falcon on the grid, and we have ten
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18 Jan 2010, 20:53 (Ref:2615327)
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To be fair, all manufacturers that sell cars in this country should be represented.
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18 Jan 2010, 21:27 (Ref:2615350)
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19 Jan 2010, 00:40 (Ref:2615457)
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If you want equal Ford/Holden franchises then you need more manufacturer input to provide an equal base.
Holden supports more teams and Ford keeps burning teams so the situation is as it is. I also think it has ended up that way because HRT has been supplying very good customer cars and FPR/SBR are both questionable in that regard. I think the most important thing is the competitive teams on both sides are a little more equitable, DJR/SBR/FPR vs HRT/888/GRM/PMM/KRT I guess and the rest are also-rans. |
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19 Jan 2010, 00:49 (Ref:2615462)
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Whose the liar falcadore???
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