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13 Oct 2002, 03:39 (Ref:402365) | #1 | ||
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not a Holden fan, but jeez, that's harsh ... five minutes ...
did anyone else hear him call someone a "f*cking c*nt"??? |
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13 Oct 2002, 03:44 (Ref:402367) | #2 | ||
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That's got to be the roughest stop-go in the history of motor sport, let alone V8s. I've never heard of anything like it.
Can't vouch for that particular soundbite, but I did like his "Jeez, was that a tent?" during the safety car period. |
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13 Oct 2002, 03:47 (Ref:402368) | #3 | ||
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A penalty was required, but there are better ways to do it than making the driver take 5. Why couldn't they just take 2 laps off his total, that would almost account for the 5 minutes on it's own.
As for the 'effing cee' references, I thought Murph should've spent the five minutes by running up to Race Control and telling everyone exactly what he thought of the situation... |
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13 Oct 2002, 03:48 (Ref:402369) | #4 | ||
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It was an absolute joke, 5 minutes for that when you only get a drive through for spinning another car around.
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13 Oct 2002, 03:54 (Ref:402373) | #5 | ||
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What exactly happened????
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13 Oct 2002, 04:14 (Ref:402380) | #6 | ||
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Dont worry... found out. It's in the rule book that the officials can do that. Make you stand in your pit box for whatever time is appropriate. Spilt fuel in pitlane is bad news when there's things like hot brake pads flying around.
Fair cop, in my opinion. Could have sent the whole joint up in flames. Last edited by Flaggie; 13 Oct 2002 at 04:18. |
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13 Oct 2002, 04:39 (Ref:402386) | #7 | ||
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Well, considering the danger, a stiff penalty was in order. Although, I'm not sure it was handled appropriatly.
I think taking 2 laps off him would have been better. Why was'nt Brock penalised? |
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13 Oct 2002, 05:45 (Ref:402405) | #8 | ||
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Brock was penalised, but He'd basically retired, anyway.
And in reality, 5 minutes is 2 laps....well 2 and change, anyway. Not saying I agree 100% with the call that was made, just that I agree he should have been nailed. Last edited by Flaggie; 13 Oct 2002 at 05:46. |
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Stop/go yes, 1 minute or 2 maybe.... but 5 mins? Seems far too harsh. |
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13 Oct 2002, 06:06 (Ref:402407) | #10 | ||
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Dunno... The difference being possibly that Murphy could have pulled the whole shebang down and the resulting possible fire would not have been pretty. Brock's spill wasn't as catastrophic in possible consequence.
Ah well It's done now, not much you can do about it. |
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13 Oct 2002, 07:26 (Ref:402423) | #11 | ||
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I dislike Holden winning as much as any full time Ford supporter, but gee, that was way too harsh, what a pure disgrace. Why didnt they fine the team instead of ****ing up his race, his championship, his sponsors and everythign else.
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13 Oct 2002, 07:30 (Ref:402427) | #12 | ||
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Obviously Race control and the NRL judicary are one and the same,take the Kiwi out off the game,and let the others play on.
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13 Oct 2002, 07:32 (Ref:402429) | #13 | ||
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Why fine the team, for a mistake made by the driver?
If the whole pits went up, you'd be real happy, wouldn't you? I think they made the right call, but maybe 2 or 3 minutes would have sufficed. |
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13 Oct 2002, 07:38 (Ref:402434) | #14 | ||
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Nope Crazy call by the officials in my view , Ok it was a dangerous situation with the refueling problem butb5 minutes , thats just crazy < and I believev Murph was referrring to CAMS officials when he said what he said and fair enough in my view , thats just crazy for that problem , what are CAMS up too , complete nutters.
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I meant fine Murphy, sorry.
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13 Oct 2002, 07:41 (Ref:402440) | #16 | ||
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Ah well.... It's been done, It's not going to change.
I'm wondering how many of the critics have ever been an official.... That's my last word, See ya later. |
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13 Oct 2002, 07:45 (Ref:402445) | #17 | ||
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Fair enough, good point, but IMO, Todd Kelly did nothing, the team did nothing, why ruin it for them. It was a mistake, no one was hurt, thankfully, I personally think a large fine would suffice.
Although, I am glad it saved a Holden 1-2-3-4-5-6 |
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13 Oct 2002, 07:48 (Ref:402447) | #18 | ||
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yeah y4eah , go on rave about how hard it is to be an official , WHAT COMPLETE ****** !!!!!!!! ITS A JOKE IVE BEEN A FLAGGIE BEFORE AND ITS NOT THAT HARD AND A 5 MINUTE PENALTY IS A COMPLETE JOKE.
thats my say and if ya dont like it tpo F ing bad !!!!!!! |
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13 Oct 2002, 07:49 (Ref:402451) | #19 | ||
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Mate, most people are extremely gun shy when it comes to possible fuel fires. When the Sh*t hits the fan, a call has to be made. Whether it's harsh or not (and I agree it was harsh. 2.5 mins is ample) there is a provision in the regs to provide such a penalty. It's legal, in the regs, and while it can be argued that it's harsh, it cant be argued that it was legit to do it. We'll see what comes of it, but I seriously doubt much will change.
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13 Oct 2002, 07:54 (Ref:402457) | #20 | ||
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Calm down Marcus... Yes being a flaggie's easy compared to being in race control....
Where do I say I didn't think it was harsh? It's a bit over the top, but a penalty of some description was warranted... |
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13 Oct 2002, 07:58 (Ref:402465) | #21 | ||
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yeah fair enough Flaggie , I twas a bit hot under the collar when i typed that , somethinmg Yes I agree had to be done , but it was very harsh and I apologise for havinbg a go at officildom , but hey thats what half the sport is about these days and that sux big time !!
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13 Oct 2002, 08:02 (Ref:402470) | #22 | ||
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Yeah but Marcus, you're damned if ya do, damned if ya dont with these sort of calls...
They dont penalise him and someone will scream, they do and people scream.... Hey I agree, it's harsh, but it is dangerous, when when you consider they dont even allow power drills in pit lane, it was always gonna get nailed. It's like any incident, there's an argument either way. I think right call, over harsh but right call. You think otherwise, and that's cool too. This whole thread could do around in circles, so I'll drop the issue now, else it could turn nasty. And for the sake of Albury/Wodonga, good work to Nathan Pretty.... Pity Brad wasn't there as well. Last edited by Flaggie; 13 Oct 2002 at 08:04. |
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13 Oct 2002, 08:10 (Ref:402480) | #23 | ||
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too true , they had to do something , but surely a stop go penalty was enough ???
but hey if we were in control at Cams then there would be no problems right ??? LOL doubt it very much. oh well its done now and it doesnt effect me persoanlly so im not bothered by it , but if I was Murph Id be rathed ****ed which im sure he is. but anyway it was a good race and i guess the best team won in the end and Murph will go on for ages about im sure |
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Look, I dont blame Murph. I'd be ropeable as well. Hell you wouldn't be human if you weren't. But let's let the anger settle and revisit it in a couple of days, and then see what we all think, shall we? |
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One thing that seems to have been forgotten/overlooked in this whole thing is the way penalties are currently being handed out.
MOtor Racing in this country has turned into a 'You are wrong, we are right - don;t even think about disucssing it' scenario. Regardless of whether Murphy was in the right or wrong (and, from what I saw, he did what he normally does - so where does the blame really lay anyway?) he and the team have NO CHANCE whatsoever to argue the penalty - which in all western democratic countries is aloowable. Or is it that certain key officials now think they are so close or actually are God that they can do and say whatever they like, hand out whatever penalties they like without giving the offender the chance to argue a case. Dictatorial is probably the closest word I can think of without saying Communism.... Last edited by RaceTime; 13 Oct 2002 at 08:21. |
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