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Old 29 Oct 2002, 17:25 (Ref:416528)   #1
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"I especially find the change to the qualifying format rather positive because I can set a fast lap time straight away," he told Reuters.
the quote above I got from the "autosport"-website... where schuey told that the new rules will help him to dominate even more. who does he think he is, he won 4,5 WDC's and over 40 GP's on pure luck, if the new rules help him it'll be because montoya had to qualify in the wet while he got to do it on a dry track, not because of his mega-driving style (never known a champion who went off the track so often as he does).
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Old 29 Oct 2002, 17:48 (Ref:416541)   #2
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He might be immodest but what he says is perfectly true. He has got the knack of getting right on the limit virtually straight away - many F1 people have said so.

On balance I think the liklihood of his scoring more poles under this system is less - but that's because of the luck element with changing track conditions. I would have thought we'll see more pole-winners in 2003 because of this, since the changing of ambient and track conditions sometimes makes more difference than a driver can make.
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Old 29 Oct 2002, 17:52 (Ref:416543)   #3
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who does he think he is, he won 4,5 WDC's and over 40 GP's on pure luck,

Make that 5 WDC's and 64 GP wins thus far. On luck? That has got to be the most incredible run of luck in history.
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Old 29 Oct 2002, 18:11 (Ref:416570)   #4
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One of those five WDCs due to illegal maneuver !..., not only luck.
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Old 29 Oct 2002, 19:23 (Ref:416624)   #5
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Make that 5 WDC's and 64 GP wins thus far. On luck? That has got to be the most incredible run of luck in history.
You don't get the success Schumacher has on luck alone.
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Old 29 Oct 2002, 19:24 (Ref:416626)   #6
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probably best we don't start this one.
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Old 29 Oct 2002, 19:44 (Ref:416651)   #7
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It is wrong for him to like the look of something he believes will maximise his chances of winning? I am not convinced I agree with him completely, but that in istelf is not relevant.

Oh, lol, it has just reminded of a situation I have come across various times which I always think is rather amusing. When if Michael wins a race because it is wet, people refer to him as being "lucky" it was wet. I had always thought that if his natural ability turns out togive him an advantage in such a situation then it is earned on merit an skill, as opposed to luck, but there you go...

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Old 29 Oct 2002, 19:52 (Ref:416663)   #8
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For all the assistance he gets with his good results....i think its fair to say that he can produce blindinly fast laps even on his out laps.
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Old 29 Oct 2002, 20:12 (Ref:416677)   #9
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We made it to the 4th posting before there was a single comment about how Michael used an illegal manuever! What does that have to do with his comment about qualifying?

Mods, is there a way to adjust the auto-censor to delete words like "Jerez" "Team Orders" and "Contract?"

Meanwhile, back at the thread: I think Michael is up for the challenge of setting an in-your-face fast lap and then seeing if anyone can knock him off. If the F2003 is even an incremental step forward from the F2002, qualifying may be more interesting than the race itself.
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Old 29 Oct 2002, 20:19 (Ref:416683)   #10
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i can see many poles being taken between Micheal and Juan next year ...but more for Micheal i think.
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Old 29 Oct 2002, 20:30 (Ref:416694)   #11
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Taking the leap of faith that Ferrari will be further ahead next year than they were this, due to their alliance coming into its first "full" year, I can see rather a lot of poles for Michael.

Let us take a situation where there were at least two teams close at the top, and then this situation occured it could be another matter. If you think to years like '98, for example, then Michael would quite often make mistakes because he was having to push to hard to get close enough in qualifying to have a chance in the race.

That isn't going to be the case next year though, so it may well be decided by running orders and weather etc. I imagine there to be some interesting tactics deployed on the Fridays in certain situations, like Monaco for instance. It could be fub, although it would be one hell of a lot better if they had just left it be if this was there alternative.

Surely just two sessions where the times are aggregated, or averaged, would be the best solution? It has the effect of making people go properly on Friday as it were, which the new system quite possibly won't in my view, but doesn't make the whole damned affair manufactured.
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Old 29 Oct 2002, 20:30 (Ref:416696)   #12
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I hope Ferrari will bite the dust next year, with many engine blow ups, bad tyrecompounds on every GP and a very disobeying Rubens...

What a nice dream, isn't it?

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Old 29 Oct 2002, 20:36 (Ref:416702)   #13
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and a very disobeying Rubens...
that would be the best thing that could ever happen.....Micheal needs really pushing....id love to see Rubens be allowed to push him hard.
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Old 29 Oct 2002, 20:51 (Ref:416708)   #14
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Well, he doesn't necessarily be allowed to, maybe we could see another Pironi then, and see what Ferrari would do about it...

They would probably kick him out or give him very underpowered/unreliable engines...

Or a severe paycut..

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Old 29 Oct 2002, 21:17 (Ref:416725)   #15
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Rubens will qualify better than Michael next year... (I hope...) due to those changes on Quals.
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Old 29 Oct 2002, 21:27 (Ref:416736)   #16
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I think the one lap wonders will be the ex USA drivers, JV and JM. Did they not have that in Indy ? Plus JM seems to get it all together for that last lap.

MS sets a good pace but then has to play catch up. If JM (and JV) have it together by Friday PM they will get pole. However as normal all hopes will die in a cloud of blue smoke in the race.

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Mods, is there a way to adjust the auto-censor to delete words like "Jerez" "Team Orders" and "Contract?"

The mods had better add Adelaide to your list aswell

As for the "superpole" TGF is very quick in his first laps, but Juan Pablo isn't exactly slow either. I don't think that this new system will necessarily go against Juan Pablo.
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Old 30 Oct 2002, 02:16 (Ref:417017)   #18
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I don't think the new system will benefit anyone, and the qualifying order will probably remain the same, but it does seem that TGF could have more poles as HE IS quicker out of the box. But considering that they now have all Friday to set their cars up...
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Old 30 Oct 2002, 04:34 (Ref:417058)   #19
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With this qualifying format, I think it more likely that we will have the 2 Ferrari's, followed by the 2 Williams', followed by the 2 Macs', followed by the 2.....you get the idea. With no traffic, you might think that 2 'identically" prepared cars would end up pretty close in times, unless, of course, the difference in quality of the 2 drivers is more than usual.

Weather would be the biggest factor. How will the starting order be determined? Names in a hat?
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The cigarette companies are getting a bit shaky over the recent billion dollar personal lawsuits. As there is a major one pending involving Marlboro, and as Schumacher is paid directly by Marlboro, it would be terrible if they called in the chips and asked him to hand back some of the booty to help settle claims. I don’t know how I’d sleep if this happened!
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i think the new system will be good for Juan...but i think it will be even better for Micheal
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Just imagine for one moment that Michael goes out and does his blistering one lap qually. Then, Rubens goes out, in sectors one and two he's up on Michaels time, how long before a faceless name in the Ferrari transporter adjusts the engine mapping to 'slow' Rubens in the last two sectors thus giving Michael pole?

This is not an attack on Michael or Ferrari, the same arguement could be levelled at all F1 teams. I am merely pointing out that even qualifying can be 'rigged' to accomodate team orders!
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MS sets a good pace but then has to play catch up. If JM (and JV) have it together by Friday PM they will get pole. However as normal all hopes will die in a cloud of blue smoke in the race.
Im not sure what you've been watching. It seems to me that Juan makes more improvement than Michael during quals. He tends to start off slowly, makes a couple of adjustments and then puts a blinder near the end. Michael on the other hand tends to max out after his second run. He usually only does 3 runs and he doesnt seem to improve much on his final (third) run.

If you go to AtlasF1 forum, they have already been discussing this. Someone got the stats from this year, and if you take the best times after 1 completed run Michael would have had 8 poles. JPM on the other hand would have only had two.

Dont get me wrong, JPM will still get poles next year. But I also think he'll have a few midfield starts. Michael will tend to be around the top 3 consistently.
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the quote above I got from the "autosport"-website... where schuey told that the new rules will help him to dominate even more. who does he think he is, he won 4,5 WDC's and over 40 GP's on pure luck, if the new rules help him it'll be because montoya had to qualify in the wet while he got to do it on a dry track, not because of his mega-driving style (never known a champion who went off the track so often as he does).
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how long before a faceless name in the Ferrari transporter adjusts the engine mapping to 'slow' Rubens in the last two sectors thus giving Michael pole?
Oh Stephen, I expect much better than this from you

Even playing along with this 'conspiracy theory', Ferrari would'nt risk locking out the front row for Michaels benefit.
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i think the new system will be good for Juan...but i think it will be even better for Micheal
I'm not so sure. This year, Michael and Ralf usually put it over their team mates 1st run out. But both Rubins and Juan seem to save the best for last. I don't think it takes them 12 laps to get it together, I think they just 'bank' a few laps 1st before really pushing. I think Juan will be the benefactor of this, and Rubins won't do badly either.

I'm predicting Montoya 7, Michael 5, Rubins 3 and at least one suprise
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and as Schumacher is paid directly by Marlboro, it would be terrible if they called in the chips and asked him to hand back some of the booty to help settle claims.
Where does this rubbish come from. Schumacher works and gets paid by Ferrari, not Marlboro. DO you think Michael races for free at non-tabbaco races?
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A relevant quote - not in the Autosport article, but in the Planet-F1 equivalent
Martin Brundle agrees. During the Japanese Grand Prix, Schumi's former team-mate described the World Champion's great gift of being able to instantly assess track conditions.

"When were we testing, Michael would go out and set his fastest lap on just the fourth or fifth lap of the day," said Brundle, "he has an uncanny ability to judge the state of the track and how far he can push his car."

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