Touring Car Success

Larsen · 5 Jan 2001, 18:39 (Ref:56303)

Can Richard West achive the amount of manufacturers we had in 1994 and 1995. Remember the 10 manufacturers in 1994. Let's hope more manufacturers enter as it will do the sport some good.Do you think he will achieve this?

**Craig** · 5 Jan 2001, 18:48 (Ref:56307)

No - but through no fault of his own. The motor industry has changed radically in the past ten years. Nissan and Renault have merged, Ford now also own Jaguar, Mazda and Volvo and VW/Audi now own brands such as Skoda and Seat who might have been likely to enter motorsport. Rover has pretty much collapsed and BMW suffered huge losses as a reult.

On top of that, manufacturers are also suffering from falling profits and will struggle to justify a motorsport campaign at the same time they're being forced to close factories.

**touringlegend** · 5 Jan 2001, 20:16 (Ref:56341)

I really do believe we will have more than ten marques on the grid, but most of them will be run by independents.
Here are some I think will have a car in the BTCC in a few years time, not neccesarily a works car:

Vauxhall
Peugeot
MG Rover
Ford
Honda
Nissan
BMW
Toyota
Alfa Romeo
Renault
Hyundai
Subaru

Larsen · 5 Jan 2001, 20:30 (Ref:56348)

I don't know about Subaru, mind you there is a Subaru GT car in japanese gt championship, but anything is possible

**touringlegend** · 5 Jan 2001, 20:36 (Ref:56352)

Subaru is a sporty mark and the way the BTCC is heading it is going to be full of sporty cars one day.

vauxhall · 5 Jan 2001, 20:38 (Ref:56354)

@last
larsen ur already my best mate!
someone else who wants more works support!
nice one.

2002: touring class works and indies!<<<<

vauxhall astra's
peugeot 406's
ford mondeo/focus
honda accord
toytota ...?
MG a.k.a rover 45's
nissan almeria/primera
renault megane/laguna
alfa's ...?
2wd audi a4/3's (a3 the smaller a4????)
proberly NOT bmw

Larsen · 5 Jan 2001, 20:41 (Ref:56355)

toyota was going to enter with Avenus and Audi with the A3.

maybe the wish of more works teams will come true, keep the list of cars coming Vauxhall!

kmchow · 6 Jan 2001, 09:42 (Ref:56532)

Larsen wrote:

>toyota was going to enter with Avenus and Audi with the
>A3.
>
What is the Avenus? Is it the same as the Lexus IS200? I would have thought the IS would have appeared more likely. They have spent 3 years developing the car in Japan via a IS200 one make series?? The Netz Cup? With 10-20 cars, you can get a lot of feedback? Unfortunately, the car never raced against any other makes so I guess it's hard to get competitor information or an accuate analysis??

Larsen · 6 Jan 2001, 09:47 (Ref:56534)

The Avenus is a Toyota and is a 5 door family saloon car.Great lookin car though

GURRYP · 6 Jan 2001, 09:58 (Ref:56538)

Why the obsession with "works" teams?? Think back to the RS500 days, with all the top teams running the same type of car. Ok you might not have the variety, but it still gave good close racing, with lots of independents taking part.

Larsen · 6 Jan 2001, 10:02 (Ref:56540)

for one thing, you don't want to see the same car over and over again during a race. We need a whole load of different cars, shapes and sizes aswell as brand names like Peugeot and Vauxhall. If you had teams with semi-works instead of full-works then the racing is going to be closer.

GURRYP · 6 Jan 2001, 11:08 (Ref:56550)

Surely you want to see good, fast, close racing, not just a processsion of cars. If that's what you want go & sit next to the M1

Larsen · 6 Jan 2001, 11:53 (Ref:56570)

If you look at the DTM, Opel and Mercedes have won half of the races each. There are 3 types of cars in the DTM, and still you get close racing. You need a varity of cars to keep the fans interested.

JMeissner · 6 Jan 2001, 12:31 (Ref:56586)

Avensus?? I dont know about the UK but here in Sweden its name is Toyota Avensis...

The Toyota Avensis is the successor of the Toyota Carina.

GURRYP · 6 Jan 2001, 13:35 (Ref:56612)

Apart from the 2 token Audi TT's, the DTM is actually full of variety is it ??

Larsen · 6 Jan 2001, 13:45 (Ref:56618)

to GURRY P's point of view, there were only ford rs500 and I don't know about the bmws, but if you have bigger manufacturer support, the grid is going to be bigger. Just as long as the indies can buy straight from the manufacturer just like this year.This may guarantee great racing or it could be the opposite with one or two manufacturers dominating. The DTM is a new championship which has only started last year, you can't gurantee more manufacturers will enter in the first year because they want to see what it turns out like. This is what is happening in the BTCC, the manufacturers are unsure if the BTCC will survive, but maybe next year, we will see 2 or 3 more manufacturers.

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