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The FIA's view on lap times and costs.
http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press...240305-01.html
2005 FIA FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP FIA PRESIDENT COMMENTS ON THE FIRST TWO RACES OF THE SEASON 24.03.2005 “Malaysia was the first real test of the new rules: extreme conditions for tyres and almost all teams attempting a second race on the same engine. The large number of finishers was a tribute to the work of the tyre and engine suppliers.” “The drop in performance predicted by the Formula One technical directors has been achieved in the first two races. Had the rules not been changed it is reasonable to assume that the reduction in lap times (increase in speeds) from 2004 to 2005 would have been about the same as it was from 2003 to 2004.” “Thus assuming that normal progress would have been made had the rules not been changed, the cars were 5.2 and 3.5 seconds a lap slower in Australia and Malaysia respectively.” “Cost savings are significant. We understand that the tyre suppliers are now taking 4 sets per car to a grand prix compared to 19 sets per car in 2004. Also, each team is now using two engines for two events. Had the rules remained the same as in 2002, top teams would now almost certainly be using 12 engines for two events (one practice engine, one qualifying engine and one race engine per car per event). Bearing in mind that an engine rebuild costs about $200,000 (approx. 150,000€) and remembering that these engines now last upwards of four times as long during private testing, the savings are enormous. There is also a significant saving on capital expenditure because each team’s stock of engines and wheels is smaller. With fewer engines and wheels to move around the world transport costs are also lower.” “In summary, thanks to the efforts of everyone involved, the season has got off to an excellent start.” Last edited by Super Tourer; 30 Mar 2005 at 11:24. |
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Australia 2003 -1.27.7 2004 - 1.24.1 (-3.6 secs) 2005 projected without rule changes - 1.20.50 (-3.6 secs) 2005 with rule changes - 1.25.7 (+1.6 secs) Malaysia 2003 -1.36.4 2004 - 1.34.2 (-2.2 secs) 2005 projected without rule changes - 1.32.0 (-2.2 secs) 2005 with rule changes - 1.35.5 (+1.3 secs) |
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30 Mar 2005, 12:44 (Ref:1265225) | #3 | |
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I wonder what costs will be saved when the manufacturers have to move to the new V8 formula?
Perhaps Max refers to the costs saved by BMW, where they had a new engine for this year already built and on the dyno, but had to re-engineer last year's engine for this year's rules. Funny... |
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Well, all the teams can do is hope that after the V8 change, and after they finally agree to testing limits, things will stabilize for a while. The idea is that, over the long term, significant savings will be realized.
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Mosley seems to be insane and doesn’t have any knowledge of business economy. The new regulations increased the development costs structurally.
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The formula (excuse the pun) for the speeds and costs is a complex one. It involves cutting speeds, reducing expenditure, teams with big budgets, teams with small budgets, this year, next year, years ahead.
There are many things that act against one or more of the above, but for one or more against the others. Therefore, I suggest, it is the easiest thing in the world to find something wrong with any change - or indeed any consistency. |
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Mosley seems to be saying that "the measures" were intended to cut lap times from what they would have been had those measure not been introduced. That's total arse. They were sold to us as being designed to cut times from what they were last year. They haven't done so.
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I think Max is right - they had to do something to cut lap times - but when you have a tyre war it becomes very difficult to peg speeds.
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[pedant]Increase lap times, surely?[/pedant]
The thing with implementing cost cutting measures is that if they involve technical changes they're going to cost more at first, but the savings over the longer term will benefit. And that's without the big team budget factor Glen mentions... |
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Times have increased from last year though Testrue, look at the times listed above. They would've certainly dropped by a fair amount were it not for these changes. Whether it's actually cheaper is unclear - it might be in the long term, but a lot of work fopr this eyar's cars was wasted because the decisions were made comparatively late. Long term effects will probably be beneficial to the smaller teams, and will make things more challenging (if not actually cheaper - the team with the most money will always find a way of spending it, and the other teams will always (to some extent) ahve to find ways to bridge the gap)
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Mosley forgets on thing. Before this season the promised lower costs, slower cars and more excitement. On conclusion can be made: the races didn't become more exciting. The races are just boring.
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Totally agree, Inigo.
The racing in Malaysia was good. The new rules encourage the drivers to think of a Grand Prix in terms of its distance rather than a series of short sprints which by their nature mitigate against overtaking. |
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Sitting behind a car you are faster than is one of the easiest ways to knacker your tyres.
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And if your tyres go off (a la Fisichella in Malaysia), you slow down, and others might attempt a pass.
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Of course we haven't seen a traditional pass for position yet - all the overtaking last year was done in the pits...thank goodness they've more-or-less been forced to do it on track.
I'm afraid I have to disagree with the naysayers - I think it's been remarkably exciting so far this year...the RBR cars overtaking Ferrari will stick in the memory for a goodly while, and the little spat between the Williams and Ralf was a corker...what's not to like? If you want tradition, I'd suggest the Euro Boss championship or whatever it's called. |
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It's been a couple of decent races, yes. However: was it more to do with a number of teams having a similar level of competitiveness or more to do with the new rules? I would say the former, rather than the latter. My thanks go to Bob Bell, Sam Michael and Mike Gascoyne, rather than Max Mosley.
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