Petition to bring back V8 Warm Up Sessions

Wizzby · 16 Apr 2005, 12:04 (Ref:1279556)

Hi everyone

Despite what was published in last weeks Motorsport News, AVESCO has NOT brought back warm up sessions for all rounds of the championship and there is not one in New Zealand this weekend. All sprint rounds will miss out on the sessions; only the longer events will get one.

It’s a complete and utter joke that this rule has not been abolished. It is not only unsafe but also a complete rip off on spectators who are paying just as much if not more to see less track action at events this year! So it's about time we put pen to paper and made our frustration official!

If you would like to see the warm ups back for ALL rounds of the championship, please sign this petition to be sent to Tony Cochrane in the coming weeks. All fans are welcome, red and blue alike!

Sign the Petition!

Let’s tell em what the fans really want! Pass the word on to everyone you know, your family, workmates, and don’t forget to sign up everyone in your household, even if they don’t know what a V8 is as every name will count!

Thank you for your time everyone

retro · 16 Apr 2005, 12:55 (Ref:1279579)

I'm in for this ..... no warm up is ridiculous.

edit - we need to email Mark Larkham as well.

resisturban · 16 Apr 2005, 12:57 (Ref:1279580)

who gives a ****.... i dont!

jjd · 16 Apr 2005, 13:11 (Ref:1279587)

Quote:

Originally Posted by resisturban

who gives a ****.... i dont!

IQ=0

Warm ups are valuable for teams that have had a major incident and have had to repair the car, more of a safety issue, as they have no time to test the car to see if everything is ok. I am sure everyone apart from you can see the logic for having the warm ups back.

EDIT: Signed the petition

resisturban · 16 Apr 2005, 13:16 (Ref:1279588)

What if you crash in the warmup?

Then why not have a warmup after the warmup?

Its a waste of time, money and effort for all involved. The only benefit i can see is at sandown and bathurst, for both testing reliability of components and giving newbies greater track time.

jjd · 16 Apr 2005, 13:22 (Ref:1279593)

Quote:

Originally Posted by resisturban

The only benefit i can see is at sandown and bathurst, for both testing reliability of components and giving newbies greater track time.

OK then you have seemed to anwswer it then, realiabilty of components after repair.

Quote:

who gives a ****.... i dont!

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Bit of a back track there.
So why do you think it should only apply to the endurance rounds? and not other rounds?

resisturban · 16 Apr 2005, 21:48 (Ref:1279825)

Because at other rounds parts dont have to last for 8 hours.

And you failed to quote half of my point, which is an error many people on these forums are making.

**GTRMagic** · 16 Apr 2005, 22:10 (Ref:1279840)

The teams need warmups, and should have them.

Why do they need them?

Hoe many times do you hear a driver say they made changes to the car overnight? Why should a driver go into a race cold, unsure of whether the changes are better or worse for the car? The warm up will give some indication as to whether the overnight engineering solution is headed in the correct direction or not...

... and allow the teams time to change it back if they arent achieving the right answers...

Same goes for damaged cars from previous races... although in simpler times, damaged cars, or ones with specific problems used to be able to ask to join the back of the grid in another category's race, and run a couple of laps, then put it away....

I would suggest signing the petition is a good response to a safety issue.... for despite what Mr Lowndes was talking about in the I-love-AVESCO release a few days ago, I doubt there are too many people that agree with him....

retro · 16 Apr 2005, 22:25 (Ref:1279849)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

The teams need warmups, and should have them.

Why do they need them?

Hoe many times do you hear a driver say they made changes to the car overnight? Why should a driver go into a race cold, unsure of whether the changes are better or worse for the car? The warm up will give some indication as to whether the overnight engineering solution is headed in the correct direction or not...

... and allow the teams time to change it back if they arent achieving the right answers...

Same goes for damaged cars from previous races... although in simpler times, damaged cars, or ones with specific problems used to be able to ask to join the back of the grid in another category's race, and run a couple of laps, then put it away....

I would suggest signing the petition is a good response to a safety issue.... for despite what Mr Lowndes was talking about in the I-love-AVESCO release a few days ago, I doubt there are too many people that agree with him....

.........including Mr G Murphy who was very out spoken about Lowndes toeing the company line..... and I believe the other drivers agreed with him??

**GTRMagic** · 16 Apr 2005, 22:36 (Ref:1279855)

There is enough space on a V8Supercar program to accomodate a morning warmup, and a grid walk, and all the other events on the program.

We shouldnt forget that with the exception of Indy and the AGP, V8Supercar is the headline act, and if the promoters dont find space for the totality of the Supercar program, then there has to be some form of penalty/snubbing/stick use to make it happen.

But its not just the warm up, the sighting lap, and cycling thru pitlane are also gone... which have the same issues as the warmup sessions as well....

Lets see...Donut King jet van or Ambrose, Lowndes, Skaife & co on the track...

Tough choice

This should be a subject for the TEGA board, to take under advisement from each of the 34 franchise licences... not just a blanket solution without obvious consultation...

mixxer · 16 Apr 2005, 22:53 (Ref:1279859)

That was a strange annoucement.
What about a non compulsory warm up IE those that want can, those that don't wont. I'm betting all would though, you'd be stupid not to.

**GTRMagic** · 16 Apr 2005, 23:08 (Ref:1279870)

From RaceNews...

AVESCO
11 Apr 05
Teams, safety and spectators the biggest winners: Lowndes

Three-time V8 Supercar Championship Series winner Craig Lowndes has voiced his complete support of the elimination of warm-up sessions prior to sprint rounds in this year’s series.

The Team Betta Electrical star has endorsed the decision to abandon morning warm-ups in favour of offering spectators the ultimate experience of being able to freely access all drivers, teams and cars in pit lane instead.

There will still be warm-up laps at the longer re-fuelling races at the Queensland 300, Betta Electrical 500 at Sandown and the Supercheap Auto 1000 at Bathurst.

“It’s a very sensible decision that has my total support,” said Lowndes.

“By not having to turn out for an early warm-up session on a race day means that the intense pressure all teams are under on a race weekend can be relieved a little and they can concentrate on racing.

“It also makes teams more organised, diligent and efficient. For instance in Adelaide, we did the majority of our work around the practice session on Friday so we were ready to race there and then.

“From a safety point of view it allows teams more time to prepare their cars and pay more attention to detail. Just as importantly, it can allow team members more rest and more sleep.

“From a drivers’ point of view the last thing you want is a wheel nut coming loose because a team member is tired from having to prepare for an early morning warm-up session.”

Current champion Marcos Ambrose voiced his disapproval at not having a morning warm-up session at the recent Clipsal 500 in Adelaide, citing a loss of action for spectators and other safety issues.

But Lowndes rebutted Ambrose’ comments saying that Adelaide was an exception given that at all other sprint rounds the cars will be on track in the mornings. Lowndes is currently second to Ambrose in the Championship.

“Marcos perhaps had a point in that respect because Adelaide was an exception in that we weren’t out early on Sunday. Everywhere else we are generally out in the morning anyway,” said Lowndes.

“From a spectator point of view losing the warm-up lap means they have even more time to come and see us, go to the merchandising areas and take part in the pit walks that will replace warm-up.

“As a sport we are people friendly and we want the people to come and interact with us.”

This weekend’s race at the Placemakers V8 International at Pukekohe will host the first of the public entertainment sessions where all drivers, cars and team garages will be on public display for 45 minutes on the main race day of Sunday.

In other news the random draw for the Top 10 shootout as occurred in Adelaide has also been returned to a slowest to fastest format, as was the case in 2004.

Very odd....

v8race1 · 17 Apr 2005, 02:11 (Ref:1279952)

That press release from lowndes smacks of commercialism, and I bet my left nut lowndesy doesnt agree with it fully. He couldnt its lunacy. 'Stop the warmups so the punters can freely walk about and visit the merchandising tents' !!! c'mon they have ample time to get fleeced over the week-end. Sorry lowndesy this statement is absolutely ridiculous.
Its a must, a significant 'safety' must that warm-up be re-instated even to appease the minds of crews who stay up all night fixing battle-weary cars with fatigue set in.
I for one would like one lap at least to confirm the car was okay if any repairs/ maitenance, minor or major, was completed correctly.
surely if OH&S rules apply and if the saying "responsibility ends at the top" a true then some form of warm-up needs to be applied.
just my 2bobs worth. petition signed .

retro · 17 Apr 2005, 06:55 (Ref:1280020)

The warm up suituation was discussed at the press conference again with the 3 drivers all agreeing that it still should take place - surely some one is listening *Mr Larkham*

peckstar · 17 Apr 2005, 11:02 (Ref:1280245)

so as nearly all rounds have multiple races and the single race rounds have a warm up (QLD, bathurst, sandown) then what you are all saying is that each race in the round should have a warm up, afterall, they all change stuff between races to hopefully improve the car.

so at NZ today we would have had a warm up before the 10 am race and another before the 2pm race and if you should stack or have a mechanical failure in the warm up, you should get another warm up, just to make sure the parts are ok.

Morons all of you. there is only one reason we should have a warm up, For the spectators, any other reason is just total BS

resisturban · 17 Apr 2005, 11:06 (Ref:1280251)

finally someone with some sense in them!

racer69 · 17 Apr 2005, 13:26 (Ref:1280362)

As i posted on the other thread about this, does it really matter whether they are there or not?

Sure it's some extra track time for the teams, but at the same time the likes of Indianapolis don't have any warm-up sessions on race day, the last time the cars see the race track prior to the pace laps on Sunday is Carburation on the Thursday before.

But instead of a warm-up, can we have another support race please, not a 'grid walk'. I go to the races for races, i couldn't give a toss if i see Craig Lowdnes or Mark Skaife without their helmets on.....we lose enough racetime these days with the silly stunt bikes and burnout vans......

retro · 17 Apr 2005, 13:29 (Ref:1280364)

Quote:

Originally Posted by racer69

As i posted on the other thread about this, does it really matter whether they are there or not?

Sure it's some extra track time for the teams, but at the same time the likes of Indianapolis don't have any warm-up sessions on race day, the last time the cars see the race track prior to the pace laps on Sunday is Carburation on the Thursday before.

But instead of a warm-up, can we have another support race please, not a 'grid walk'. I go to the races for races, i couldn't give a toss if i see Craig Lowdnes or Mark Skaife without their helmets on.....we lose enough racetime these days with the silly stunt bikes and burnout vans......

They mentioned today at the press conference the drivers are required to sign autographs during the pit walk.

BAZzzzz c · 19 Apr 2005, 06:30 (Ref:1281815)

Quote:

Originally Posted by peckstar

Morons all of you. there is only one reason we should have a warm up, For the spectators, any other reason is just total BS

My My peckster. Morons.??? isnt that a colour that looks like a sort of purple.??? It certainly cant be an insult aimed at folk with a different OPINION to yours......... Surely not. If you are on here, you are probably a Racing fanatic and THAT my friend could never put anyone into the purple class.

Pssssst........... but you are right when you say that a warm up session should be for the "long suffering '" (my words) FANS that have to endure endless motorcycle burnouts and repetative 'tricks'. The two hour blast by the Supercars at Pukekohe on Friday, was more a RACE than a shake-down
and kept us all enthralled for the full time. Once those Drivers get kitted up and bolted in, they are in their element and perform accordingly. As an example? Poor old? Wade Henshaw in the NZ V8's throwing away a Championship just for the sake of getting past one more car, needed or not.

But its all grand stuff. And the pitwalks? Nice for the youngsters that WANT to get close to their heroes but you gotta be reeeeeeal lucky to get close enough for a quick word and an autograph and there is never enough time to satisfy everybody. LETS HAVE THE WARM-UPS BACK, and schedule REAL time for drivers to sign, and meet and greet. After all, on Saturday, after qualifying etc, they only 'worked' for 50 laps and a bit either side. The rest of the time should be divied up to give public access for a lot more than the 40 minute pitwalk.

Wizzby · 19 Apr 2005, 07:34 (Ref:1281852)

Hello again

I don't think it's very fair to have a go at those either for or against the warm ups, I merely started the petition to give those who wanted it back a chance to have their say. If you don't agree that's fine, just don't sign it.

Unfortunately though there are more people against warm ups than I thought or more likely, a lot talking the talk but not walking the walk.

I have decided to hand this petition to Tony Cochrane personally at the Barbagallo round, but only if I have enough signatures to make a difference so if you haven't already please sign! Also make sure you pass it on to your friends and family and gather as much support as you can. The only way we will succeed is with a pure show of numbers

peckstar · 19 Apr 2005, 08:03 (Ref:1281871)

might i add, that i am not against warm up, all for tyhem as mentioned in my post

and my moron comment was an rebuttal to the IQ = 0 line

but the excuse that we need them to test overnight changes and modifications is a weak one.

thats what practise is for and qualifying. the more practise we have the more the bigger and richer teams get further ahead

SkaifeysGal · 22 Apr 2005, 01:10 (Ref:1284257)

Hi everyone

Despite what was published in Motorsport News a couple of weeks ago, AVESCO has NOT brought back warm up sessions for all rounds of the championship and there is not one in New Zealand this weekend.

All sprint rounds will miss out on the sessions, only the longer events will
get one.

If you would like to see the warm ups back for ALL rounds of the championship,
please sign this petition to be sent to Tony Cochrane

http://www.petitiononline.com/V8W05/petition.html

We'll tell em what the fans really want! And please pass the word on to
everyone you know!

mixxer · 22 Apr 2005, 04:31 (Ref:1284293)

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68011

Matt H · 22 Apr 2005, 04:44 (Ref:1284296)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkaifeysGal

Hi everyone

Despite what was published in Motorsport News a couple of weeks ago, AVESCO has NOT brought back warm up sessions for all rounds of the championship and there is not one in New Zealand this weekend.

looking at the time of your post, are you telling me there is another round of the v8s in new zealand this week ???

hehe

SkaifeysGal · 22 Apr 2005, 09:18 (Ref:1284396)

Sorry, i forgot to omit that part, how silly of me

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