Disqualification maybe

beau1 · 22 May 2005, 16:55 (Ref:1307233)

As we all could see at the end of the race. The tyres on those Renaults were almost slick which of course explains Alonso's and Fisichellas slow pace towards the end. the tyres looked so bad that i think the FIA should look over them and see if they are legal or not.

luke · 22 May 2005, 16:57 (Ref:1307236)

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Originally Posted by beau1

As we all could see at the end of the race. The tyres on those Renaults were almost slick which of course explains Alonso's and Fisichellas slow pace towards the end. the tyres looked so bad that i think the FIA should look over them and see if they are legal or not.

At the end of the day though Renault didn't have an advantage so in my opinion it would be harsh to disqualify them, although that happened to BAR when they didn't have an advantage.

Knowlesy · 22 May 2005, 16:59 (Ref:1307239)

Being disqualified for something that costs four seconds per lap anyways is a bit stupid.

T0MAT01 · 22 May 2005, 16:59 (Ref:1307240)

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Originally Posted by luke

...although that happened to BAR when they didn't have an advantage.

Different kettle of Fish.

But as Luke says, they didn't gain anything so why penalise?

**Asp** · 22 May 2005, 17:01 (Ref:1307242)

We were talking about this in the chat room. My comment is that if they did do something wrong and the tyres were illegal (which I doubt they could be found to be anyway), what were Renault meant to do? Change the tyres?

BootsOntheSide · 22 May 2005, 17:04 (Ref:1307249)

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Originally Posted by beau1

As we all could see at the end of the race. The tyres on those Renaults were almost slick which of course explains Alonso's and Fisichellas slow pace towards the end. the tyres looked so bad that i think the FIA should look over them and see if they are legal or not.

Can you name any other sporting situation where a team has been excluded for doing something which makes them slower?

Paarma · 22 May 2005, 17:07 (Ref:1307252)

It would be very unfair to Alonso and Fisi who fought quite well with very difficult cars to save those points.

beau1 · 22 May 2005, 17:07 (Ref:1307253)

i thought the rule was a team could change tyres if the tyres were illigal or if they had an faliure such as an puncture. if they did'nt change change the tyres if they were dangerous or illlligal then they would have to face the consequence's.

Knowlesy · 22 May 2005, 17:25 (Ref:1307275)

If they had to change tyres due to illegality then you would find a lot of teams exploiting that just to get an extra set of tyres on and improve race pace!

429CJ · 22 May 2005, 17:31 (Ref:1307283)

But what about M.S. crossing the yellow line coming out from the pits?

ralf fan · 22 May 2005, 17:31 (Ref:1307284)

Disqualify for what? having machinary that was 4 secs slower than the rest? then Minardi and JOrdon should be disqualified after every race.....
their tyres passed in the qualifying checkings so i doubt their tyres were illegal..

beau1 · 22 May 2005, 17:31 (Ref:1307287)

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Originally Posted by knowlesy

If they had to change tyres due to illegality then you would find a lot of teams exploiting that just to get an extra set of tyres on and improve race pace!

yea but don't the FIA inspect the tyres which the teams would think to be illigal. then if they are not illgal then action would be taken.

dsg · 22 May 2005, 17:33 (Ref:1307289)

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Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

Can you name any other sporting situation where a team has been excluded for doing something which makes them slower?

Cycling, rowing, football, soccer, baseball and hockey to name a few.

Many sporting codes have rules against recreational drugs which are not performance enhancing but have still caused teams and individuals to be excluded and banned.

Knowlesy · 22 May 2005, 17:36 (Ref:1307292)

Look, beau, those tyres can't be illegal.

there was talk a few years back of the tyre companies making tyres that wore down to slicks, which was promptly stamped on by the FIA. The difference in that situation though was that the tyres would supposedly get faster as the race wore on.

In this instance, the tyres have worn in a way that is not intentional and that has made the Renaults practically undriveable. If they were to be disqualified for that, well, you'd lose faith really wouldn't you?

ralf fan · 22 May 2005, 17:43 (Ref:1307298)

The question here really is why Renault would use illegal tyres to make them go slower?

Hip Priest · 22 May 2005, 17:52 (Ref:1307306)

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Originally Posted by ralf fan

The question here really is why Renault would use illegal tyres to make them go slower?

It's all part of Flav's masterplan, and it is far to complicated for us mere mortals to understand.

beau1 · 22 May 2005, 17:53 (Ref:1307307)

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Originally Posted by knowlesy

Look, beau, those tyres can't be illegal.

there was talk a few years back of the tyre companies making tyres that wore down to slicks, which was promptly stamped on by the FIA. The difference in that situation though was that the tyres would supposedly get faster as the race wore on.

ok i agree with you on this.

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Originally Posted by knowlesy

In this instance, the tyres have worn in a way that is not intentional and that has made the Renaults practically undriveable.

would'nt undriveable=dangerous? if so then they should have changed tyres and not taken advantage of not having to stop again.

Kicking-back · 22 May 2005, 17:55 (Ref:1307309)

One of the most ridiculous questions ever asked!

There was no advantage gained, it wasn't dangerous - it just made them slower.

There will not be a disqualification.

Knowlesy · 22 May 2005, 17:56 (Ref:1307311)

Undriveable in the sense of not being able to keep on a good pace I mean. It would have been dangerous if they were trying to lap in the one minute 16's again though!

ralf fan · 22 May 2005, 17:59 (Ref:1307318)

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Originally Posted by beau1

would'nt undriveable=dangerous? if so then they should have changed tyres and not taken advantage of not having to stop again.

it is the teams problem to look after their wear. It is a grey one and you could argue on what is dangerous and what is not.... but if the FIA did allow the changing of a tyre because the wear was too much then most teams would use this to their advantage and try to get 2-3 tyre changes....

beau1 · 22 May 2005, 18:02 (Ref:1307320)

[QUOTE=Kicking-back]One of the most ridiculous questions ever asked![QUOTE]
not really anything could'nt have happened with the tyres like that.

beau1 · 22 May 2005, 18:07 (Ref:1307327)

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Originally Posted by ralf fan

it is the teams problem to look after their wear. It is a grey one and you could argue on what is dangerous and what is not.... but if the FIA did allow the changing of a tyre because the wear was too much then most teams would use this to their advantage and try to get 2-3 tyre changes....

right i should have said at the beginging of this thead that the new tyre rules are stupid.

Kicking-back · 22 May 2005, 18:08 (Ref:1307329)

I was being light-hearted

But I really fail to see why this is an issue of any concern to anyone other than Renault?

BootsOntheSide · 22 May 2005, 18:12 (Ref:1307333)

Without the new tyre rule, the race would've been a dull procession. Same goes for Imola and Barcelona. Forcing teams to go through the whole race on one set of tyres sees them have to balance out the performance in different ways,a dn Renautl got it wrong this time. Neither Renault was going at a dangerous pace - tehy both slowed down to ensure that the tyres lasted the race.

beau1 · 22 May 2005, 18:12 (Ref:1307335)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

I was being light-hearted

fair enough

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