For what it's worth... [positive spin]

Skam85 · 20 Jun 2005, 09:46 (Ref:1334264)

Some interesting facts/records to come out of the race-

3rd placed Tiago Monteiro is the first Portugese driver to ever finish on the podium.

His teammate, Narain Karthikeyen, is also the first ever Indian driver to score
points.

Minardi, the 'lovable losers' scored 7pts in the race, the equal most the team
has scored in year since they started in 1985.

It is also Minardi's first ever double-points finish in their history (20yrs)

Both Jordan and Minardi have now scored more points than BAR, the team who finished 2nd in the Contructor's Championship last year.

Jordan also have the record (this being the teams last year after being bought
out by the Russian Midland Group to be re badged Midland F1 in 2006) of scoring points every season they have contested, and they have had some shocking cars (from 2003-2005 their cars have been backmarkers, although in 2003 they still manage to win a race).

Technically, the first race since the Dutch GP in 1961 where all who started the race finished it.

Minardi's best result since Webber 'pulled a Bradbury' to finish 5th in Oz 3
years ago.

I think everyone 'did a Bradbury' in this race, as Ferrari in normal
circumstances would not have been quick enough to win the race. Amazingly, both Michael Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello are still in the championship hunt after shocking seasons so far...

marcus · 20 Jun 2005, 09:51 (Ref:1334269)

"It is also Minardi's first ever double-points finish in their history (20yrs)"

Not quite actually

britian 1989 Pier Luigi Martini finished 5th and Luis perez sala finished 6th both driving Minardi's

Kicking-back · 20 Jun 2005, 09:53 (Ref:1334271)

Some good stats there.

Skam85 · 20 Jun 2005, 09:54 (Ref:1334273)

D'oh! Oh well.

"It is also Minardi's second ever double-points finish in their history (20yrs)"

Bleu · 20 Jun 2005, 16:38 (Ref:1334781)

Some others:

First time since Belgian GP 1991 when two Portuguese-speaking drivers finished in the podium
First time since Detroit GP 1984 when all points were not awarded (back then, 6 drivers finished the race and Brundle was DQed)
Counting all drivers as starters, it was a record in first-lap retirements
Juan Pablo Montoya suffered first first-lap retirement of his F1 career, in 75th race
Christian Klien and Felipe Massa have not race laps at Indianapolis in two years

DaveBrockman · 20 Jun 2005, 17:05 (Ref:1334808)

Still, at least Ralf did about as well as usual...

Don K · 20 Jun 2005, 19:15 (Ref:1334949)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skam85

Minardi's best result since Webber 'pulled a Bradbury' to finish 5th in Oz 3 years ago.

Doesn't seem correct.

You are essentially saying that a 5th place is better than a 5th place + a 6th place....

hgmonaro · 21 Jun 2005, 01:56 (Ref:1335380)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don K

Doesn't seem correct.

You are essentially saying that a 5th place is better than a 5th place + a 6th place....

under the circumstances... easily!

However, you're probably factually correct... but one could also argue they're equal (one gold medal trumps 10 silver in Olympic tallies)

JohnSSC · 21 Jun 2005, 02:12 (Ref:1335385)

I guess this also answers the question of what it would take to make the New Radical Minardis and the Jordans competitive...

kuchi · 21 Jun 2005, 04:02 (Ref:1335430)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleu

Some others: [*] Juan Pablo Montoya suffered first first-lap retirement of his F1 career, in 75th race[/list]

Not good at all, but hooray for minardi. I wonder what minardifan did yesterday.......

Dixie Flatline · 21 Jun 2005, 05:56 (Ref:1335462)

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcus

"It is also Minardi's first ever double-points finish in their history (20yrs)"

Not quite actually

britian 1989 Pier Luigi Martini finished 5th and Luis perez sala finished 6th both driving Minardi's

Didn't Christian Fittipaldi and his Minardi teammate also finish 5th and 6th in the early 90s when Fittipaldi hit his teammate, did a 360 but landed on all four wheels and crossed the finish line? Or was that for 6th and 7th?

Dixie Flatline · 21 Jun 2005, 05:59 (Ref:1335464)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleu

Some others:

First time since Belgian GP 1991 when two Portuguese-speaking drivers finished in the podium
First time since Detroit GP 1984 when all points were not awarded (back then, 6 drivers finished the race and Brundle was DQed)
Counting all drivers as starters, it was a record in first-lap retirements
Juan Pablo Montoya suffered first first-lap retirement of his F1 career, in 75th race
Christian Klien and Felipe Massa have not race laps at Indianapolis in two years

You can add JV to the last point there, although his situation is slightly different in that he wasn't at Indy last year, I suppose.

Don K · 21 Jun 2005, 09:20 (Ref:1335580)

Quote:

Originally Posted by hgmonaro

However, you're probably factually correct... but one could also argue they're equal (one gold medal trumps 10 silver in Olympic tallies)

But one gold medal is not as good as one gold+one silver.

**Adam43** · 22 Jun 2005, 18:18 (Ref:1337502)

There are some interesting facts there! These odd races supply us with anomalies forever...

Apologises, but I have to remind everyone to keep to the topic. This thread doesn't need to go over the same ground as the other threads.

**John Turner** · 22 Jun 2005, 18:24 (Ref:1337510)

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveBrockman

Still, at least Ralf did about as well as usual...

I'm not sure this is appropriate even as a joke! He's been into the Indy wall twice now at high speed through no fault of his own. Sorry couldn't let that one pass without comment.

Kicking-back · 22 Jun 2005, 18:36 (Ref:1337525)

It's the first time three Austrians have scored points in one season.

mixxer · 22 Jun 2005, 18:37 (Ref:1337528)

Quote:

Didn't Christian Fittipaldi and his Minardi teammate also finish 5th and 6th in the early 90s when Fittipaldi hit his teammate, did a 360 but landed on all four wheels and crossed the finish line

93 Monza they where fighting for 7th from memory

Dutton · 23 Jun 2005, 07:07 (Ref:1337972)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleu

[*] First time since Detroit GP 1984 when all points were not awarded (back then, 6 drivers finished the race and Brundle was DQed)[/list]

Monaco 1996: 4 classified finishers, but only 3 actually crossed the line.

Don K · 23 Jun 2005, 08:00 (Ref:1338032)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutton

Monaco 1996: 4 classified finishers, but only 3 actually crossed the line.

No.

Salo, Hakkinen and Irvine also qualified as finishers. At the time of their collision, those 3 drivers had completed more than 90% of the race.

Which brings the total number of finishers to 7.
Which means that all points were awarded.

Bleu · 23 Jun 2005, 10:47 (Ref:1338177)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie Flatline

You can add JV to the last point there, although his situation is slightly different in that he wasn't at Indy last year, I suppose.

I meant that Klien and Massa have never (yet) got a lap during the Indianapolis race.

x_acto · 23 Jun 2005, 17:30 (Ref:1338527)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

It's the first time three Austrians have scored points in one season.

1985 Also!!!

Jo Gartner + Berger + Lauda...

**Adam43** · 23 Jun 2005, 17:40 (Ref:1338540)

Is the wink because Jo Gartner never scored points in '85. He only raced in '84 scoring one 5th place (at Monza) in 8 starts.

Berger scored three points in '85 (5th and 6th in the last two races). In '84 he finished 6th in the Italian GP, but was not eligible for points.

Lauda scored plenty of points in '84 (world champion) and '85 his last F1 season.

x_acto · 23 Jun 2005, 18:57 (Ref:1338579)

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Is the wink because Jo Gartner never scored points in '85. He only raced in '84 scoring one 5th place (at Monza) in 8 starts.

Berger scored three points in '85 (5th and 6th in the last two races). In '84 he finished 6th in the Italian GP, but was not eligible for points.

Lauda scored plenty of points in '84 (world champion) and '85 his last F1 season.

You're right! My mistake...

Snrub · 23 Jun 2005, 19:23 (Ref:1338610)

Actually I think that Indy was good for Montiero to a certain degree. Normally we don't really have a clue how the Midland/Jordans and Minardi drivers have performed. Monteiro really stomped on the Minardis and more importantly Karthikeyen. I was really surprised at the gap he opened up. Less significant was that he was still on the lead lap when the race ended. People have been very negative about Monteiro this year, but he's been improving and I think he's better than most realize. He showed potential in Champ Car - 2003 as well.

What's significant about Midland/Jordan and Minardi scoring points is that it means more money will be given to them for next season. They need it badly, so if anything there was a little justice done with all the garbage that went on.

Marbot · 23 Jun 2005, 20:02 (Ref:1338634)

On another positive note,only six cars ran on Sunday,therefore Carbon Dioxide (Monoxide) emmisions were approximately 70% lower than usual.

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