Honda wants Button to stay

f1atic · 13 Jul 2005, 11:59 (Ref:1354543)

BAR Honda has the factory offering up a deal to Williams that will perhaps be difficult for Sir Frank to ignore.

http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/050713/40/c9q3.html

If I were Jensen, I would consider staying at BAR since (in spite of points being taken at the start of the season) they seem to be kicking William's you-know-whats.

A good deal for Williams too since I don't think BMW is an engine option for them next season.

BSchneiderFan · 13 Jul 2005, 12:02 (Ref:1354546)

Interesting. It would be nice to see an F1 deal concluded behind closed doors to everyone's satisfaction! Would this mean Davidson goes to Williams-Honda to partner Webber?

FPV GTHO · 13 Jul 2005, 12:07 (Ref:1354557)

At this rate, the engine should be more important to Williams than the 2nd driver, so they should go for it IMO

JeremySmith · 13 Jul 2005, 14:04 (Ref:1354661)

Jenson Button should stay at BAR. But as others have said he might not have a choice.

Kicking-back · 13 Jul 2005, 14:38 (Ref:1354683)

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

At this rate, the engine should be more important to Williams than the 2nd driver

Button would be going there as the lead driver, surely.

Xpunk75 · 13 Jul 2005, 14:51 (Ref:1354693)

I've never really got why Button wants to go to Williams so badly they have not been the number 1 team in a long time and even though their fourth in the points this year it is obvious that BAR has more speed at the moment then they do. Williams seems to have regressed badly because this bad relationship with BMW. At the start of the season I could at least understand him wanting to switch over because I believe Frank and his team know how to run a succesful formula 1 team because they have won many championships and well BAR I think this season has proven they know how to screw up alot and get caught cheating really well. Maybe these types of things are the reason Jenson wants to leave but if I was him I wouldn't want to leave anymore after seeing the Williams BMW cars getting beat by the Saubers of villenuve and the RED Bull cars.

Rennen · 13 Jul 2005, 23:26 (Ref:1355079)

JB has now competed in 92 GPs and has yet to have a single win...Jackie Stewart by contrast did 99 GPs won 27 of them on the way to winning 3 World titles!...Wake up and smell the coffee BAR!

KE30MAN · 13 Jul 2005, 23:33 (Ref:1355085)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

Button would be going there as the lead driver, surely.

I think in Williams recent tradition, it would be equal billing, may the fastest driver win.

**Born Racer** · 13 Jul 2005, 23:41 (Ref:1355089)

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JB has now competed in 92 GPs and has yet to have a single win...Wake up and smell the coffee BAR!

Is this Jenson's fault though?

He's at least been thrashing Sato most the time and has not yet had a car capable of consistent race wins.

FPV GTHO · 14 Jul 2005, 02:15 (Ref:1355141)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

Button would be going there as the lead driver, surely.

Well you being a Brit, me being an Aussie, we're never gunna agree on that are we

Dixie Flatline · 14 Jul 2005, 02:31 (Ref:1355145)

If I were Sir Frank, I would buy Cosworth engines, possibly doing a deal with Petronas (now no longer required after this season by Sauber) to pay for them, get Button in and use him to market Williams and their sponsors around the world.

I wouldn't take kindly to be asked to relinquish an option on a driver that appears to be so coveted by Sir Frank in order to get an engine deal.

FPV GTHO · 14 Jul 2005, 06:01 (Ref:1355185)

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Originally Posted by Dixie Flatline

If I were Sir Frank, I would buy Cosworth engines, possibly doing a deal with Petronas (now no longer required after this season by Sauber) to pay for them, get Button in and use him to market Williams and their sponsors around the world.

I wouldn't take kindly to be asked to relinquish an option on a driver that appears to be so coveted by Sir Frank in order to get an engine deal.

How would that work, wasnt Petronas used by Sauber simply to brand the Ferrari engines?

Kicking-back · 14 Jul 2005, 06:18 (Ref:1355188)

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

Well you being a Brit, me being an Aussie, we're never gunna agree on that are we

I don't really understand that comment.

FPV GTHO · 14 Jul 2005, 07:03 (Ref:1355204)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

I don't really understand that comment.

Well as a supporter of Webber, i wouldnt think Button going to Williams would place him as the lead driver...

**Peter Mallett** · 14 Jul 2005, 07:05 (Ref:1355205)

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Originally Posted by Rennen

JB has now competed in 92 GPs and has yet to have a single win...Jackie Stewart by contrast did 99 GPs won 27 of them on the way to winning 3 World titles!...Wake up and smell the coffee BAR!

Yes,

The trouble with comparisons like this is that they can bite you in the rear.

There are some good drivers out there who in an effort to display their undoubted talents, binned the car.

Then the cry would go up "its the car not the driver".

Mansell had loads of races before his first win.

JB is certainly a good solid reliable driver and given the opportunity will fight very hard for position. However I do confess to be less than impressed with his performance at the British GP. But that's another thread.

Valve Bounce · 14 Jul 2005, 07:13 (Ref:1355206)

A one year engine deal would not be sufficient these days. If Frank wre to commit to a new engine, he'd need a three year contract to make it worthwhile.

Just who will take the drive vacated by Nick if this deal comes off would be interesting.

If it doesn't then the proposal by Dixie Flatline makes a whole lotta sense.

Rennen · 14 Jul 2005, 22:36 (Ref:1355836)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Is this Jenson's fault though?

He's at least been thrashing Sato most the time and has not yet had a car capable of consistent race wins.

Yeah but...Sato!!! come on! Buttons been in 3 good teams 4 if you count Benneton...BAR need a winner!

Dutton · 14 Jul 2005, 23:43 (Ref:1355856)

Rennen, to be fair, the best two years he has had were Renault 2002 and BAR 2004. Renault were in no place to win, or really get podiums; BAR were good for podiums, but to get a win would have bee na remarkable feat.

He was a bit dodgy in Williams in 2000, but he was a rookie, and come the end of that year he was doing some impressive things. Then 2001 with Benneton, well, that was always going to be very difficult for him (personally I thought he handled it very well). He did a good job in 2002. BAR in 2003 were not particularly, good, but not terrible, and he defeated Jacques. BAR 2004 I thought he did an excellent job.

This year, well, we all know the story. He has done a pretty job so far.

Dixie Flatline · 15 Jul 2005, 00:22 (Ref:1355868)

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

How would that work, wasnt Petronas used by Sauber simply to brand the Ferrari engines?

Petronas supplies the funds to Sauber to pay Ferrari for their engines, an outlay rumoured to be in the vicinity of US$28 million.

In exchange for the money, Sauber gives Petronas naming rights over the engine make and no doubt a few other goodies.

BMW won't need Petronas to pay for engines, because BMW will be supplying the engines. It is feasible, of course, that Petronas will stay as a sponsor, but if I were Sir Frank, I would be making enquiries about snapping them up quicksmart and using their money to buy an engine deal from Cosworth (which probably wouldn't cost US$28 million).

FPV GTHO · 15 Jul 2005, 03:10 (Ref:1355916)

That all makes sense now, i thought Petronas was Sauber's fuel supplier or something

maximus · 15 Jul 2005, 09:19 (Ref:1356054)

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Originally Posted by Rennen

Yeah but...Sato!!! come on! Buttons been in 3 good teams 4 if you count Benneton...BAR need a winner!

May as well apply that same theory to Fisichella in 2001 then, seeing as he didn't win a race in that "brilliant" Benneton.

BootsOntheSide · 15 Jul 2005, 10:09 (Ref:1356089)

That comparison is completely irrelevent. It takes a lot longer to get to the front these days - in Jackie's era mechanical failures for cars in front were much more common as well. jenson has done less races that Nigel, Mika or Rubens did before winning a race, so you shouldn't be writing him off yet. Why don't we take the logic a bit further and point out that JV almost won his first race, tehrefore Ant is useless as he hasn't so much as finished any of his 3 races? (please don't take this as a 100% serious question, merely an extension of the 'logic' being used).

If Button and Webber were paired up, whoever shone in the fist few races would become the lead driver. Remember 1986 - everyone assumed Piquet would dominate Mansell, but Nigel became a frontrunner and the team refused to prioritise either driver. I really don't get the attitude of some Aussies who are convinced that it's impossible for others to view their drivers evenly - is it possible for Sam Michael to give equal attention to the foreigner Heidfeld?

As it stands, staying at BAR is probably the best option for Jenson - it looks perfectly feasible that he could finish ahead of the Williams guys by the end of the season, especially with Monza and other power circuts still to come.

FPV GTHO · 17 Jul 2005, 07:50 (Ref:1357103)

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Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

I really don't get the attitude of some Aussies who are convinced that it's impossible for others to view their drivers evenly - is it possible for Sam Michael to give equal attention to the foreigner Heidfeld?

Who's saying we dont think the team will see them equally

esorniloc · 17 Jul 2005, 08:57 (Ref:1357120)

Williams have a contract with BMW until 2009. If they are going to split, then why would Williams be testing the NEW V8 BMW engine.
The next engine will be different to this years, so this years performance doesn't matter for the 06 driver line up.

Raglanparade · 17 Jul 2005, 09:01 (Ref:1357121)

If they didnt test it with wiliams, wat would they test it in,.... a road car ?

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