Rumor Mill, Honda and Ganassi?

Uesque · 26 Sep 2005, 16:14 (Ref:1417052)

From Robin Miller:

http://www.champcarworldseries.com/N...le.asp?ID=9706

BSchneiderFan · 26 Sep 2005, 16:35 (Ref:1417078)

Hmmm. Interesting.

enemy-ace · 26 Sep 2005, 18:06 (Ref:1417181)

On the one hand I like the idea of Honda coming back (being a Honda fan), but on the other hand I think it may be bad for Champ Car in the short term. The Champ Car formula at the moment is quite cost effective and competitive. Honda coming in could kill that. Cosworth doesn't have the resources to compete with Honda. Maybe they could come up with an idea for containing Honda without overly restricting them. Having Honda back would be very good for promoting the series.
As for Ganassi, having a competitive team in competition is always good and I personally would welcome that. I however won't be cheering for them.

macdaddy · 26 Sep 2005, 18:21 (Ref:1417191)

I want to keep the turbos. The cars look so much cleaner, and I love the sound. I don't think that they should change their "heritage" on the whim of a single manufacturer.

ChampCar is still growing. I'm afraid that it may be too early to bring in another manufacturer, especially one with pockets as deep as Honda's. As mentioned in the article, it's the only major series where a new team can come in, and run the same chassis/engine/tires as the champion.

As for having Ganassi back...
It would be a good thing if I could put my emotion aside.

Jordi · 26 Sep 2005, 22:00 (Ref:1417394)

I'm double sided about Honda. I like them, but I fear it could bring trouble...

As for Ganassi, if he comes he'll be very welcome. He and Dixon have shown they still run well turning right by winning at the Glen...

Omega99 · 26 Sep 2005, 23:05 (Ref:1417445)

If champcar let's them in, it better be on their own specific terms.

Tenoch · 27 Sep 2005, 02:23 (Ref:1417524)

Maybe Kevin is just messing with them like ameeting would go someting like this;

Kevin; sure i'll let you join my series

Honda; Really

Kevin; Yeah

Honda; So these are our plans for an engine with the new chassis

Kevin; Wait you really tought I was serious

It could be

macdaddy · 27 Sep 2005, 03:27 (Ref:1417535)

They'd lose Ford as the "Presenting Sponsor", and Cosworth wouldn't have a badge.

mac · 27 Sep 2005, 04:52 (Ref:1417551)

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Originally Posted by macdaddy

They'd lose Ford as the "Presenting Sponsor", and Cosworth wouldn't have a badge.

Wouldn't they just extend the title further?

Bridgestone Presents Champ Car World Series Powered By Ford And Honda?

Has a ring to it.

mabs_nsx · 27 Sep 2005, 05:22 (Ref:1417558)

I am a huge Honda fan so I really hope they do come to Champcars.

MCWB · 27 Sep 2005, 09:35 (Ref:1417704)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac

Has a ring to it.

How about Bridgestone, Michelin and Goodyear Present the Champ Car World Series Powered By Ford, Honda and Toyota.

In all seriousness though I don't think Champcar needs Honda yet, or will benefit from their involvement. Maybe in 5 years or so, but 2007 is too much risk too early IMHO.

Uesque · 27 Sep 2005, 11:46 (Ref:1417809)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Honda leave Champ Car because CC was considering a non-turbo engine and Honda only wanted to do turbos? Then they went and did NA at IRL anyway. Now they want to do NA, and CC wants turbo. So I wouldn't be surprised to see them show up with a turbo.

It's pretty obvious KK is aware of the competition issue, and will have a plan for parity prior to any return by Honda.

Uesque · 27 Sep 2005, 11:46 (Ref:1417810)

From the sounds of this, Ganassi's Lola is already back in the shop:

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/champcar/19815/

**GTRMagic** · 27 Sep 2005, 11:54 (Ref:1417817)

Why can't Honda badge the Cosworths as Hondas??

indycool · 27 Sep 2005, 12:03 (Ref:1417825)

Honda's pitch is widely thought to be a common engine formula for both series in '07 using the IRL spec, which Cosworth has in the form of the Chevworth and the IRL has said its formula will stay the same. Clarke said he'd never give up on the idea of unification, so his pitch is, IMO, to dangle that pitch out there on the engine front.

As for Ganassi, Robin and Mark C. have always had their "secret sources" at Ganassi and seldom have any of their "secret leaks" panned out. In the case of the Miller column, I don't place too much stock in it. It's a "Sam told Harry's third cousin who told Sadie's son's neighbor who spun the story this way" thing.

Uesque · 27 Sep 2005, 15:03 (Ref:1417990)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Why can't Honda badge the Cosworths as Hondas??

Apparently, they have already done the work on the engine, based on proposed specs, which didn't come to fruition, so they want to recoup the engineering by having Cosworth build to those specs. Which doesn't make sense as the Cosworth 3 L would be to the old and continuing IRL specs.

Uesque · 27 Sep 2005, 15:06 (Ref:1417991)

Quote:

Originally Posted by indycool

Honda's pitch is widely thought to be a common engine formula for both series in '07 using the IRL spec, which Cosworth has in the form of the Chevworth and the IRL has said its formula will stay the same. Clarke said he'd never give up on the idea of unification, so his pitch is, IMO, to dangle that pitch out there on the engine front.

As for Ganassi, Robin and Mark C. have always had their "secret sources" at Ganassi and seldom have any of their "secret leaks" panned out. In the case of the Miller column, I don't place too much stock in it. It's a "Sam told Harry's third cousin who told Sadie's son's neighbor who spun the story this way" thing.

But if that's the case, how will we work ourselves into a lather discussing it?

2112 · 27 Sep 2005, 15:16 (Ref:1417998)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordi

I'm double sided about Honda. I like them, but I fear it could bring trouble...

As for Ganassi, if he comes he'll be very welcome. He and Dixon have shown they still run well turning right by winning at the Glen...

I don`t think most of the fans will welcome him. More teams = good for CCWS, but the fans don`t forget the past too easily.

Snrub · 27 Sep 2005, 20:54 (Ref:1418264)

They'd need to come up with a way to regulate the engines so that Honda didn't outspend Ford (badged cosworths) but money would still be transfered to the teams. Something along the lines of what Grand Am does would make sense. Honda already has a 2.65L turbo engine that is compatible with the current chasis so I can't see why they'd object too much to a situation where they had to use it again.

norman-normal · 28 Sep 2005, 17:43 (Ref:1419173)

If Ganassi hadn't burned so many bridges, he would be here now. IMHO

jjspierx · 29 Sep 2005, 04:22 (Ref:1419580)

I'd welcome Ganassi back for sure. I think it would add contreversy and hype for CCWS.

Hazza · 29 Sep 2005, 05:22 (Ref:1419592)

Not to mention a highly qualified team, esp. if they got Mo Nunn back aboard...

gttouring · 30 Sep 2005, 03:52 (Ref:1420551)

i heard that Honda also was courting Penske, and would anchor IRL in 2007, as the only players now it seems are Honda, and Cosworth Ford...with Chevy giving a tad of cash to stay visible. Champ car is doing well, i hope the new chassis can muster the same thrilling races we have now- and really the Champcars are so tough, best things in openwheel
did anyone see sebastian give tracy the nose to the tail shove on an OVAL!>?!?!
and it kept racing, ofcourse tracy got horned and walled it

rustyfan · 30 Sep 2005, 09:09 (Ref:1420687)

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Originally Posted by gttouring

did anyone see sebastian give tracy the nose to the tail shove on an OVAL!>?!?!
and it kept racing, ofcourse tracy got horned and walled it

That particular incident was probably down to Bourdais not expecting Tracy to slow though, rather than him intentionally wanting to use the "chrome horn".

f1manoz · 30 Sep 2005, 10:48 (Ref:1420764)

I'm unsure about Honda returning to CCWS. They tried to screw the series previously before slinging their hook and now it seems they want to return, but only on their terms. The series is working at the moment, Honda's return could hamper it.

Ganassi? Well, another team will be welcomed but I won't forgive and forget.

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