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Yeap some good news. Now Toronto, Long Beach, Houston, and Cleveland are owned by Champ Car Owners or teams. I believe this will bring some stability in the short to mdeium term. Did I forget any venues?
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I am genuinely puzzled here. When CART was self-promoting under Pook, the self-promotion was viewed as not in the best interests of CART. Now, I understand that owning/promoting your venues gives more control and you don't have to split the take with a 3rd party. Is this why owning/self-promoting is now perceived as a positive step?
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"Mi-Jack Promotions"...
I wouldn't think that Mr. Lanigan named his company "Mi-Jack" just for the heck of it. Here we have a dedicated sponsor (also in Atlantics) who has taken Cleveland under their wing, the promotions department happens to be run by a respectable and capable man whom they have other business interests. ChampCar is no longer promoting this race, in any way shape or form, and what could possibly be wrong with that? |
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I wasn't implying anything was wrong macdaddy! Just wanting to understand the promotion issue as some of the venues coyote9999 listed are owned by OWRS, right?
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Correct. OWRS owns Long Beach and Toronto. I'm sure it's not what they wanted, but they really had no choice.
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Actually from what I understand they are not owned by OWRS. They are owned by new companies which have owners such as KK and Gerry Forsyth. There is a big difference. In the recent years Champ Car has had many issues with promoters who either failed to deliver what they had promised (example Montréal) or could have switched over to another series (example IRL) making for a lot of bad publicity for the series. Now that team owners own the promotion rights to venues it makes for better synergy with OWRS and Champ Car. Problems with venues will not end up as much in the press. It will add in my mind some stability in the series. Champ Car will run the seires. Teams will run their teams and those with alot of money can also promote races. I see this as a +.I've been known to be wrong at times however.
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I agree, macdaddy... Series promotion of a race drains capital and takes a risk... Having an experieced promoter partner with you to run the event and promote it on their dime and will their people relieves that burder and that risk for the Series.. This is great news, and is what many of us should have been hoping for to keep Cleveland as a venue on the schedule.. |
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I have some questions similar to John's and I share his hesitation to cheerlead this as something more than it might be.
"Mi-Jack Promotions" has never promoted a race to my knowledge. As I understand it, it picked up some veteran people in Houston to run things and they seem to be doing a good job. Those same people (Kosich, etc.) are quoted in the Cleveland story, so presumably the same staff will execute both races. Coyote is right. Aquarium Assets LLC, new owner of Long Beach,is owned by Forsythe and Kalkhoven. Same with Grand Prix of Toronto LLC. But in San Jose, it has worked differently. It was initially announced as Canary Enterprises LLC, owned and posted as "agent of service" in corporate papers by Don Listwin and a profit-making arm of the Canary Funds. Now, it's listed in San Jose City Council documents as "San Jose Open Wheel Racing LLC, successor in interest to Canary Enterprises LLC." The new company lists its "agent of service" as Scott Ross, reportedly an attorney. Who does he represent and who are the backers of the San Jose race now? Nobody knows. Mi-Jack follows Newcomb, Penske, ING, CART and CC as promoter at Cleveland. It starts out with lowering ticket prices for an event that has reportedly lost money in its repeated handoffs as a "hot potato." Will this jump-start the financial stability of this race? Or will Mi-Jack Promotions become a "Canary Enterprises LLC?" Mi-Jack and Mike Lanigan have been announced as the backers. Are they the only ones involved in "Mi-Jack Promotions LLC?" Time will tell. |
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New commited promoter, 5 year deal to run with CCWS and a overhaul of the event with the presenting sponsor showing confidence by re-upping. Can't see a downside.
But what we need here is someone with inside knowledge of the early CART events here to get an idea of how things may have changed. An ex-employee. Any takers ? |
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IC has touched on a few of the reasons I was wondering out loud if this is any different than CC self-promoting a few years back.
It just seems that there are a myriad of entities with both straight line and also apparent "dotted line" relationships on the organizational chart. If OWRS is going to self-promote I am sure they have their reasons for doing so and that these reasons may be valid now when they were not at the time for Pook & Co. It is a curiosity then, to me, as to why Mi-Jack as a group who already sponsor a car (and possibly receiving a subsidy from OWRS to do so) would somehow be better qualified than OWRS to promote the race (big umbrella organization with built-in PR expertise and deeper pockets) vs an established promoter. My thought would be that any team in this series would want to focus on their own efforts to build sponsorship for themselves thereby bringing positive attention to the team/series rather than engaging in a side project. |
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The Cleveland deal is a good thing since it's being kept "in family", much like what NASCAR does.
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Not at all like NASCAR. There may be a "family" of promoters/track owners that the France family works with, but iirc, none of them are race team owners. Further, with the pressures brought to bear by promoters who have tracks but no dates there have been a number of tracks that were in the the family (see Talladega) that no longer are getting the number of dates they used to nor the preferred event dates.
The France family does not have a similar ownership/support structure for the teams, the venues are "permanent" locations and the Frances have no need or use for self-promoting events. |
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OK, so I was wrong! The point still is that the NASCAR model is quite different. Penske has been in the track ownership business for years. And so that dovetailed with the racing activity.
That being said, the market forces in NASCAR are quite different than for OWRS. Because of the demand for the product, the Frances need only to control the # of races for the Series. The promoters/track owners will beat a path to their door. The vertical integration model that OWRS is following at the moment is not needed. Hopefully, OWRS will strengthen to the point where the promoters will come to them, rather than it (race promotion) being somewhat self-contained. |
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Penske did at one time, but he no longer owns any race tracks and hasn't for several years. He sold out to ISC.
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Roger Penske received a major block of ISC stock as part of the sale of his tracks. I believe he still owns most or all of those shares, making him one of the largest shareholders in ISC.
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Not sure how much stock in ISC he still owns. Know he sold some of it that diminished the number of ISC BoD seats that he got in the deal.
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