Why don't they turbocharge the BTCT cars?

Sodemo · 21 Apr 2001, 16:13 (Ref:83128)

I don't get it, WRC cars 2.0L turbo 300 HP
Super Tourers 300 HP (no turbo)

Anyway, why don't they turbocharge the BTCT cars for 2002? Its a very cheap way of getting more power, you'd have another 80 or 100 HP to play with.

John Batchelor · 21 Apr 2001, 17:02 (Ref:83140)

Skoda have just launched a new turbo powered Octavia, that would make a terific base for a Touring car.

Bring Back The Cavaliers · 21 Apr 2001, 17:14 (Ref:83143)

Sounds like a good idea for you for next year John. A Skoda BTCC car.

Danielsun · 21 Apr 2001, 20:57 (Ref:83216)

Hooray for Mr B&Q!!

John, do you think you could convince VW-Audi Group to re-enter the BTCC next season, either with Skoda or SEAT? Touring class, of course...

Danielsun · 21 Apr 2001, 21:00 (Ref:83218)

As for the topic's original question, turbo chargers are great for speed, noise and action but they're also quite fragile, especially in the world of Touring Cars.

It would also take the series back to something a lot closer to the Group A days of the 1980s...

JMeissner · 21 Apr 2001, 21:38 (Ref:83238)

Well, the Turbos would make the costs go very high, quick... With Turbo the tuning ability of the engine rizes, and it makes cheating somewhat easier (Toyota WRC 94 remember?

)

But hey, if they just can get it under controll, cheating and costs, it would be nice to see it in the BTCC... Especially for the sound...

Maybe they could have a sollution like Formula Palmer Audi (or what it was called) where you ran the entire race with 5 turbo boosts that you could apply when every you liked during the race. But only five, otherwise you ran the engine without turbo...

Sodemo · 22 Apr 2001, 20:59 (Ref:83746)

Well if development costs are the problem (and possible cheating) why don't BMP just issue them as a standard part.

I only know one Turbo company which is Garret, I know they supplied the turbos for Lancia for a while, and i think Ford or Toyota aswell (in WRC).

PS after all they can't cost that much my dads Prodive Impreza has a turbo and the whole car only cost 25 grand, so the turbo alone can't cost that much.

knowlesy59 · 22 Apr 2001, 21:49 (Ref:83778)

Quote:

Originally posted by Sodemo
my dads Prodive Impreza has a turbo and the whole car only cost 25 grand

only 25 grand

Sodemo · 23 Apr 2001, 00:33 (Ref:83843)

????? and ?

hang on i'll see if i can find a pic....

JMeissner · 23 Apr 2001, 05:34 (Ref:83900)

But what does your dads Subaru have to do with BTC cars? It is a standard engine and standard turbo.

A turbo for racing is mutch more expensive, and you have to alter the engine alot, or turboconvert it as it is called. And you have to get a intercooler, remap the engine software etc etc...

Sodemo · 23 Apr 2001, 16:55 (Ref:84044)

Yes, but it can't cost THAT much more, my dads car is just a suped up Impreza with about 240HP, Prodrive make cars to enter in the rally under group N rules for just under £50,000, and they have around 270HP so they must have a non-standard turbo, or not?

JMeissner · 23 Apr 2001, 17:04 (Ref:84047)

I cant say that I am an expert at this. But yes, it will cost alot more (if you dont want only a tiny bit of extra power). And you can't compare your standard car, which has an engine that is build for turbocharger...

I mean, your dads car has already got the Turbo fit, intercooler fit, the engine is tuned in for turbo. Converting the BTC engines to that will take alot of time and cost alot of money for the teams..

runnyhunny · 23 Apr 2001, 18:51 (Ref:84092)

Sodemo,

A road-going Ford Mondeo costs about, er... 15,000ukp.

A race-track Ford Mondeo costs about, er... 250,000ukp.

A racing car is a lot more expensive to make!

What's so good about turbos anyway?!

hunttheshunt · 23 Apr 2001, 19:17 (Ref:84100)

Why mess with the NEW RULES in the BTCC. The NEW RULES seem to have everybody's backing so forget turbochargers for the minute, at least!

Sodemo · 23 Apr 2001, 22:14 (Ref:84165)

Hey, relax, I just like Turbos.
And yes i was well aware of the UK road and UK track price difference in Mondeos.
Well still doesn't explain why the BTCT cars cost £100,000? is it i'm just guessing (they said half they price), where you can get a just as powerful car FOR RACING for £50,000, i just thought that turbos sounded really good, like on the WRC cars and the old 80's F1 cars.

Chris Y · 23 Apr 2001, 23:29 (Ref:84204)

Hey, relax, I just like Turbos.

Why?

i just thought that turbos sounded really good, like on the WRC cars and the old 80's F1 cars.

I didn't think you could particularly hear the turbos on F1 cars from the 80s, and I'm pretty sure the WRC cars would sound pretty much the same without them..

Sodemo · 24 Apr 2001, 17:10 (Ref:84479)

Oh not they wouldn't (pop, bang, whistle, hiss!)

Chris Y · 24 Apr 2001, 23:20 (Ref:84582)

On a WRC, you wouldn't get the amusing dump valve noises (chittering noises), but you'd still get the popping and banging, and the brash exhaust note. You'd hardly notice..

Sodemo · 25 Apr 2001, 00:51 (Ref:84610)

Ah, yes but wouldn't it massivly increase the low-end torque, thus increasing acceleration?

KA · 28 Apr 2001, 14:15 (Ref:86231)

It would also increase running costs for teams, and most importantly, (not that any of this goes on in the BTCC, I'm sure...) massively increase the scope for cheating - under the old Group A regluations in the 1990's there were allegedly an awful lot of 'bent' cars running around out there, particularly some of the turbocharged cars, including some works teams....

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