What happened to the Toyotas?

beau1 · 22 Oct 2006, 23:50 (Ref:1745585)

What happened to them? one minute they were running well in 3rd and 6th. Next they were both parked in the garage. I am guessing it was some type of electrical issue for it be on both cars. Does anyone know what it was. It was weird for them to go both out in a short space of time.

deejay · 22 Oct 2006, 23:59 (Ref:1745586)

Something in the rear suspension broke on both cars.

JeremySmith · 23 Oct 2006, 00:28 (Ref:1745605)

I believe that the problem was with the center rear wing support..

Marbot · 23 Oct 2006, 00:33 (Ref:1745608)

I think it was the central suspension that failed.I think that most F1 cars now have three spring assemblies front and back.

flashing · 23 Oct 2006, 02:44 (Ref:1745693)

Their press release states:

"However, the team's race was over soon after when a problem with the central element of the rear suspension forced both Jarno and Ralf to pull into the pits and retire, on laps 11 and 10 respectively."

A dismal end to yet another dismal season for Toyota, and you really have to wonder when this outfit is going to start performing inline with the resources at their disposal. My personal guess is never.

Matski · 23 Oct 2006, 11:18 (Ref:1746044)

I'm for me the most annoying thing about that situation was Martin Brundles continual reference to BMW catching toyota for 4th place in the constructors ---- think he's been spending too much time with the James Allen

Smokey 6 litre · 23 Oct 2006, 11:26 (Ref:1746052)

Pretty shocking season all round for Toyota, amasing that both structures broke within a lap of each other.
Unless they start getting wins next year some heads may roll at Toyota headquarters.

Ingsy · 23 Oct 2006, 12:43 (Ref:1746158)

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Originally Posted by flashing

A dismal end to yet another dismal season for Toyota, and you really have to wonder when this outfit is going to start performing inline with the resources at their disposal. My personal guess is never.

Or when they are going to pull the plug on the whole operation.

chrisp2006 · 23 Oct 2006, 16:13 (Ref:1746415)

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Originally Posted by Ingsy

Or when they are going to pull the plug on the whole operation.

quite soon probably

BootsOntheSide · 23 Oct 2006, 20:22 (Ref:1746719)

I honestly love seeing Toyota fail. They have no clue how to run a truly competitive F1 team; they just throw money at hiring people and hope it will all work out. Too much money most of the time as well. Fingers crossed Williams get equal engines next year, if they do they might beat them, and at that point the Toyota top brass might reconsider their entry.

Hugh Jarce · 23 Oct 2006, 20:23 (Ref:1746722)

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Originally Posted by Smokey 6 litre

Unless they start getting wins next year some heads may roll at Toyota headquarters.

Or more key and talented personal walk!

Marbot · 23 Oct 2006, 20:28 (Ref:1746732)

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jarce

Or more key and talented personal walk!

Ralf and Jarno are safe then.

Knowlesy · 23 Oct 2006, 20:31 (Ref:1746738)

I'm surprised they haven't sacked their engine man yet. He's been making top motors for Toyota for five seasons now and about to embark on a sixth! Madness!

Marbot · 23 Oct 2006, 20:34 (Ref:1746742)

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Originally Posted by knowlesy

I'm surprised they haven't sacked their engine man yet. He's been making top motors for Toyota for five seasons now and about to embark on a sixth! Madness!

Extra! Extra! Toyota sack engine man,Cosworth win reprieve,shock,horror!

**Born Racer** · 1 Nov 2006, 18:54 (Ref:1755532)

I wonder whether Toyota think Williams have no hope of beating them with their own engine. I assume they're extremely confident that'll be the case to be prepared to sell engines to them.

The other manufacturers who supply other teams with engines are all ones who for the near future at least are almost guaranteed to be able to beat their customers.

**Adam43** · 1 Nov 2006, 19:01 (Ref:1755537)

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Originally Posted by Matski

I'm for me the most annoying thing about that situation was Martin Brundles continual reference to BMW catching toyota for 4th place in the constructors ---- think he's been spending too much time with the James Allen

I can't say I remember. What was the problem here; that he said 4th (or is that your typo), or that BMW was ahead of Toyota in the points at the previous race?

It was significant change. If Toyota hadn't dropped out they would have probably have grabbed a couple of points which would have put them ahead of BMW.

Back tothe specific problem. Apparently theproblem has occurred before and seems tobe caused by a (relatively) bumpy circuit.

Marbot · 1 Nov 2006, 22:28 (Ref:1755714)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Back tothe specific problem. Apparently theproblem has occurred before and seems tobe caused by a (relatively) bumpy circuit.

It previously happened at Monaco (or Imola),but they didn't seem to learn from that experience did they.End of term report-Must try harder!

Matski · 2 Nov 2006, 15:15 (Ref:1756318)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

I can't say I remember. What was the problem here; that he said 4th (or is that your typo), or that BMW was ahead of Toyota in the points at the previous race?

A) BMW were infront of Toyota in the WCC

and...

B) they were competing for 5th place, not 4th.

If he'd said it once, or apologised that wouldn't be so bad, but he said it a number of times.

.. the whole Kubica's been hit by an STR thing was annoying to, they didn't even pick up on it when heidfeld pitted intstead.

**Adam43** · 2 Nov 2006, 16:56 (Ref:1756380)

Both of the things I guessed! Cheers

Don't worry, they were probably watching something more important

koper · 2 Nov 2006, 23:16 (Ref:1756664)

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Originally Posted by Matski

A) BMW were infront of Toyota in the WCC

and...

B) they were competing for 5th place, not 4th.

If he'd said it once, or apologised that wouldn't be so bad, but he said it a number of times.

.. the whole Kubica's been hit by an STR thing was annoying to, they didn't even pick up on it when heidfeld pitted intstead.

Don't worry guys, in Polish tv commentery is the same crap

Last2LiftOff · 3 Nov 2006, 02:38 (Ref:1756748)

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Originally Posted by knowlesy

I'm surprised they haven't sacked their engine man yet. He's been making top motors for Toyota for five seasons now and about to embark on a sixth! Madness!

I'd never put Toyota's troubles down to an engine problem Knowles, rather aero problems with the car. If that's what you mean. Over here sacking someone means you fire em.

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