VOLVO OUT AT END OF 2016 (NOW CONFIRMED) - Page 10

**GTRMagic** · 9 May 2016, 23:43 (Ref:3640516)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

V8 supercars are significantly cheaper to build that a GT3 Car, at almost half the price.

I note with the recent Emery Audi crash, the part are on a plane from germany. might be here by end of thr week

The insurance company will get sick of the cost of repairing those cars, and make the premiums much higher than currently to get their money back..

Mixer · 10 May 2016, 00:43 (Ref:3640522)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Mr Denyer was on RPM at the weekend quoting the price for a front bumper on his McLaren... no change out of $25,000...
Mr Edwards' Bentley for example got an evolution of sideskirts during its time here.. an eye watering $40,000 later.... plus the need for spares...

Economy of scale...

These are boutique manufacturers making around the same sort of quantities as the V8Supercar field, but without the controls on spending. Right now GT3 seems to be in an arms race - and we know how that ends.

velly4 · 10 May 2016, 03:24 (Ref:3640532)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

V8 supercars are significantly cheaper to build that a GT3 Car, at almost half the price.

I note with the recent Emery Audi crash, the part are on a plane from germany. might be here by end of thr week

Considering that the last team quote is around 1400 man hours in building a roll cage for a current spec supercar and the cost of an engine you are already sitting around $250,000 to $300,000 safe to say they are not half the price of Scuds Lambo

peckstar · 10 May 2016, 03:30 (Ref:3640536)

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Originally Posted by velly4

Considering that the last team quote is around 1400 man hours in building a roll cage for a current spec supercar and the cost of an engine you are already sitting around $250,000 to $300,000 safe to say they are not half the price of Scuds Lambo

but its about half the price if he wants to upgrade to a Huracan. (369,000 Euro or about $600,000 AUD )which is lambos latest offer

As mixer said, the arms race has began, which History shows was always inevitable

velly4 · 10 May 2016, 03:58 (Ref:3640539)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

but its about half the price if he wants to upgrade to a Huracan. (369,000 Euro or about $600,000 AUD )which is lambos latest offer

As mixer said, the arms race has began, which History shows was always inevitable

Last time I checked Pecky you need more than an engine and a roll cage to go racing. I would be absolutely gob smacked if they came in under $500k complete

I'm not for a second saying GT3 cars are cheaper to buy. I'm saying to run.
I know it's not good for jobs but teams would require less people if they ran them. There is no development work.

If they swapped to GT3 instead of COTF do you honestly think Nissan or Betty would have spent anywhere near what they have? I'm sure they would of got a lot more race wins too.

Are GT3 the solution? No I don't think so, The point I'm trying to make is about the platform. GT3 style regs on sedan platform without quite so much aero would be a good starting point in my opinion. They need to adopt some form of global class of racing.

**GTRMagic** · 10 May 2016, 04:09 (Ref:3640541)

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Originally Posted by velly4

Last time I checked Pecky you need more than an engine and a roll cage to go racing. I would be absolutely gob smacked if they came in under $500k complete

I'm not for a second saying GT3 cars are cheaper to buy. I'm saying to run.
I know it's not good for jobs but teams would require less people if they ran them. There is no development work.

If they swapped to GT3 instead of COTF do you honestly think Nissan or Betty would have spent anywhere near what they have? I'm sure they would of got a lot more race wins too.

Are GT3 the solution? No I don't think so, The point I'm trying to make is about the platform. GT3 style regs on sedan platform without quite so much aero would be a good starting point in my opinion. They need to adopt some form of global class of racing.

888 apparently sold their VF package at the beginning of CotF for $380k + GST..

dsg · 10 May 2016, 06:52 (Ref:3640558)

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Originally Posted by velly4

Are GT3 the solution? No I don't think so, The point I'm trying to make is about the platform. GT3 style regs on sedan platform without quite so much aero would be a good starting point in my opinion. They need to adopt some form of global class of racing.

Is there a global GT3 style sedan platform other than GT3? Or could they just limit it to a subset of GT3 cars such as the Camaro, Mustang and GTR and then use BoP to achieve parity.

Otherwise if you have to invent something we are back at COTF (3).

ForumNick · 10 May 2016, 06:54 (Ref:3640559)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

888 apparently sold their VF package at the beginning of CotF for $380k + GST..

Complete or Roller ?

Umai Naa · 10 May 2016, 07:00 (Ref:3640562)

Roller. Engines are leased from KRE.

rich07 · 10 May 2016, 08:28 (Ref:3640578)

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Originally Posted by velly4

Considering that the last team quote is around 1400 man hours in building a roll cage for a current spec supercar and the cost of an engine you are already sitting around $250,000 to $300,000 safe to say they are not half the price of Scuds Lambo

Speaking of Scud I'd love to hear his input as of all us, he's certainly the one most qualified on here to talk about the costs of running a GT3 car....

The arms race in GT3 has not just started this year-it's been going for the last couple of years now and yeah it's gonna end with a bang. But until then enjoy the ride

Not convinced GT3 is the answer and I'm a massive fan of the category. Touring cars should be based on what one would find in your average car park not Ferraris or Mclarens.

peckstar · 10 May 2016, 08:41 (Ref:3640581)

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Originally Posted by rich07

Not convinced GT3 is the answer and I'm a massive fan of the category. Touring cars should be based on what one would find in your average car park not Ferraris or Mclarens.

I get what you are saying, and I agree, but.... in checking out my local car park, that means Hilux and Rangers and Big SUV's with an occasional vanilla corolla or Mazda 3

The car park no longer inspires

Umai Naa · 10 May 2016, 10:41 (Ref:3640590)

As much as it pains me to say, I agree with you Pecky on the vehicles we may see as the touring car equivilants these days.

V8 4-door sedans are no longer the go-to car for the family household. Haven't been for a long time now. Ford and Holden saw it, and are ditching them for obvious reasons.

Big heavy FWD cars, with asthmatic engines aren't going to cut the mustard for race cars.

Speed-King · 10 May 2016, 14:09 (Ref:3640624)

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Originally Posted by dsg

Is there a global GT3 style sedan platform other than GT3? Or could they just limit it to a subset of GT3 cars such as the Camaro, Mustang and GTR and then use BoP to achieve parity.

Otherwise if you have to invent something we are back at COTF (3).

Well, you can build a GT3-like car out of a sedan:

If you can do it with an Accord, you can also do it with an Insignia or Mondeo. I doubt many teams outside Australia would be interested, so economy of scale would have little effect, but you could bring in some of the other more Tourer-style GT3s like the BMW or GTR.

Matt · 10 May 2016, 14:12 (Ref:3640625)

The Realtime TLX isn't a GT3 car. It's built to PWC GT rules.

Speed-King · 10 May 2016, 14:28 (Ref:3640631)

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Originally Posted by Matt

The Realtime TLX isn't a GT3 car. It's built to PWC GT rules.

That's why I said GT3-like. It's just an example to show that you could build a Mondeo or Insignia that reaches a similar performance envelope and homologate it nationally for an Australian series. (And all that without resorting to a full-silhouette car).

Ratel would never allow for anything with four doors to get proper GT3-homologation.

M Jones · 10 May 2016, 19:17 (Ref:3640687)

I think the cars in the btcc are pretty exciting, but the engine sounds are not so much. Maybe a faster version would be good

Matt · 10 May 2016, 19:53 (Ref:3640698)

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Originally Posted by M Jones

I think the cars in the btcc are pretty exciting, but the engine sounds are not so much. Maybe a faster version would be good

Make them RWD while you're at it.

Those turbo 4's they and the 1.6's in the WTCC cars sound dreadful.

touring fan01 · 10 May 2016, 23:09 (Ref:3640734)

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Originally Posted by Matt

Make them RWD while you're at it.

They are.
BTCC cars can be either front and rear drive depending on the base model. (BMWs etc)

Matt · 11 May 2016, 00:56 (Ref:3640740)

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Originally Posted by touring fan01

They are.
BTCC cars can be either front and rear drive depending on the base model. (BMWs etc)

You act like I don't know this.

I'm saying make them all RWD, even if the base car is not.

Samwhk · 11 May 2016, 02:17 (Ref:3640754)

Volvo (or one of their arms) will still be racing here next year, just not with GRM.

Mixer · 11 May 2016, 02:20 (Ref:3640755)

So what Geely-BJR or London Taxi Company-LDM?

Comical.

Samwhk · 11 May 2016, 02:24 (Ref:3640756)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

So what Geely-BJR or London Taxi Company-LDM?

Comical.

No, as in the blue cars from Sweden. And not with a mid-pack team either.

mayhem · 11 May 2016, 02:30 (Ref:3640757)

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Originally Posted by Samwhk

No, as in the blue cars from Sweden. And not with a mid-pack team either.

Currently running 15th and 16th, Penske ARE midpack...

**GTRMagic** · 11 May 2016, 02:35 (Ref:3640760)

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Originally Posted by Samwhk

Volvo (or one of their arms) will still be racing here next year, just not with GRM.

WP?

Mixer · 11 May 2016, 03:04 (Ref:3640764)

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Originally Posted by Samwhk

No, as in the blue cars from Sweden. And not with a mid-pack team either.

Is this from the "powder room"

I guess we can't blame AA for this "exclusive"

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